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Wanting some ideas about coffee enema's and glut-s-t??

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by learner2life, Aug 21, 2012.

  1. learner2life

    learner2life David Pain

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    I was advised to start doing coffee enema's. I have read some post on here about them, for some it didn't seem to do too much and others it was a positive thing. My main question is the raising of glutathione s transferase by such a huge margin. Claiming a 600 - 700 percent increase, I wonder if that is even healthy. Wouldn't the amino acids glutamine, glycine and cysteine be needed to even create such an increase. It seems like that would shunt the production of the other glutathione enzymes, even if it had the resources to make such an increase. It just is such an astounding claim I wonder if it is even beneficial. I have reservations about adding more single thiols also. I like how it flushes the liver so to speak and I want the detox from that. Just having some questions about it?
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    caledonia

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    I don't know about the glutathione. But it is my understanding that coffee enemas produce a strong detox. If you're already having trouble detoxing, this is not a wise idea.
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    learner2life David Pain

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    Can I ask if you have experience with them? When I spoke with my naturopath she was a big advocate for them. I haven't done one personally. When I asked if I should be concerned with such an increase in single thiols she didn't really know. She isn't familiar with Andy Cutler's views on glutathione IV's and mercury toxicity, but maybe I have been detoxing long enough that this wouldn't be a problem and be helpful.

    I have read that some have taken binders such as chloropyll, 30 minutes before the actual enema. I need to do some more research on it, honestly. From my understanding the coffee enema removes the majority of the toxic bile so it isn't reabsorbed. Also, it is left in the colon for 15-20 minutes allowing the liver to purify the blood many times within the session.
    David
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    Cindi Senior Member

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    I have done many of them when I was in really bad state.My digestive system had shut down at that time and I had extreme toxicity problems.. It helped me greatly. At this moment my digestive system function is better. I am still toxic although not as much as I was before but somehow I have great difficulty to keep the solution inside. Not sure what has changed. I still do it from time to time like when I have flu or extreme pain.Try it.
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    learner2life David Pain

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    o.k. I guess I will try it.. thanks alot!
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    Wayne Senior Member

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    I regularly do CEs as I've found them to be very helpful, especially for headache relief. Mornings are generally the hardest time of the day for me, and I generally wake up with a headache, often being accompanied by varying degrees of depression and anxiety. I chalk it mostly up to toxicity that has built up in my body during the night, and CEs are invaluable in reliably and consistently pulling me out of these morning "funks"; without pain pills or depression/anxiety medication.
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    learner2life David Pain

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    Thanks Wayne,
    It's great so many have such good things to say about them. I get very cautious about taking or trying anything new honestly. However strange the idea is of a CE is, it sure is to me, it is a form of detoxing that I don't think many other methods can match. I'm looking forward to trying it.
    David
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    I started doing them a few months back when my sister was diagnosed with metastatic endometrial cancer. Boy have they helped! That ammonia toxicity I've fought for years in the late evening and mornings vanishes after the CE. It wasn't easy at first and I used small amounts to get used to them (8 oz with only 1-2 tsn coffee) but gradually got used to 32 oz and much stronger, organic coffee. It did seem to make detox tougher the first few times but once I got used to them, I love how much better I feel afterward! As for my sis, well, she's healthier than ever and 50% of her cancer has regressed. So much so that her oncologist actually said "I was wrong. Keep doing what your doing." life is strange. see this vimeo lecture on cancer and CFS treatment by Dr. gonzalez MD since he uses coffee enemas, pancreatic enzymes, and a specific diet to heal cancer. This is one of the things that my methylation doc has my sister and others doing and its been amazing! Gonzalez is well known for cancer but treats Lyme, CFS, FM, MCS and more.

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  9. learner2life

    learner2life David Pain

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    Wow, congratulations to your sister. That's a great improvement. So far I have done two and I think they help. One drawback I noticed from the first one was the effect on my adrenals and just feeling amped up and the subsequent crash. I used 4 cups of water and 2-3 tbsp of coffee but after researching a little more I think that is excessive to take all at once. The sigmoid portion from my understanding is the only part that really needs the coffee and if it goes higher one risks absorbing it into the system. I tried using smaller amounts and that worked a little bit better. I am a little confused about the headache I got after I did it. The first one I did I took activated charcoal to help absorb toxins and I didn't get a headache. I'm not sure if that had anything to do with it or not. I was suprised at how creative some people are with their water oil solutions. Mild soaps solutions, lots of different herbs, sea salts then there's coffee. Yeah, learning alot about it. All in all I think its a positive thing..
    David
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    Adding organic Chamomile tea helps drastically with bowel spasms and the jittery feeling some get. I premake my coffee so its all set up in glass jars & then I add a cup of hot chamomile tea to make it body temp. I use 2 bags for the night one since it helps sleep. and my sis is nothing! My doc has patients with stage 4 pancreatic cancer who are on the mend, its crazy!
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    learner2life David Pain

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    Hmm, maybe I will try that. This is intriguing about the doctor you mention. Do they follow some form of Gerson therapy? I have been trying to learn about that. This is the stuff that I like to hear about honestly. It sounds like they have roots in naturopathic medicine, or atleast are open to alternative therapies. That's a great thing!
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    I thought I would dig up an old thread on coffee enemas I started on the ProHealth board about five years ago. I edited and condensed it a bit (below) for brevity and clarity. You can click on the title to take you to the original thread, which has more posts and discussion. -- Wayne
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    I didnt know they increased Glutathione. When I have done them I ALWAYS feel better within a few hours. I look way healthier too. Been a long time since Ive done one because they arent easy to do when you are in a relationship. It can be a deal breaker! :eek:
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    The first time I did a coffee enema, I was less than excited! in fact, I hemmed and hawed and dreaded the whole thing. So I came home one afternoon, tired as could be from kids, grocery shopping, and errands and found to my great surprise, that the bathroom was candle lit, I had a little egg crate pad on the floor (with LOTS of towels over it) and an enema bucket all set up with some coffee. Now that's love.

    I doubt there's many out there who'd make light of it with humor and light candles. Or many who would go to the work of making you healthy like that when they know your avoiding it and they even think its a bit weird. My husband has never listened to a doctor in his life and he thought everythng alternative was pure hocus pocus until he met my doc. But once he saw what she did for our kids and family, he listened to whatever she said. So I say if thats a deal breaker for a relationship, good riddance!
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    She picks and chooses many theories like Yasko, James, Gerson, Kelley, and Dr. Pall but I think she uses Dr. Gonzalez the most when it comes to coffee enemas & some of the juices. Dr. G combines Gerson and Kelley and some mainstream stuff and has a good success rate with treating Lyme, CFS, and esp cancer. She's saving my sister's life with his work and the support group she goes to has all kinds of people with late stage ovarian, pancreas, colon, stomach, and breast cancer but who are years and years out from their diagnosis. Its a crazy world! I'd have never believed it if my own family didn't go thru it.
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    m1she11e Senior Member

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    Wow...where do I get me one of THOSE husbands? Amazes me the support some actually do get when they are ill. I guess that is a whole new thread....
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    Well, he's definitely not perfect and isn'tnthe doting type, thats for sure. But he doesn't mind facing uglier truths in life, which is good since we're surrounded by them. My doctor once said something that stuck.....its the "princess" types who are the most distressed by the idea of CE's and can't seem to do them. I would also guess those more clean cut, appropriate guys wouldn't like it either. But one thing I'm not, is a princess and my husband knows it. I've knuckled down thru some God awful times to get something done and maybe thats all part of growing up on a ranch. In any event, a man's strength is short lived and suited for chasing off demons for his damsel but our strength tends to carry the day through the drudgery of day in and day out. let him know from the start you are a survivor and that's the only thing that matters.


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    Hi All- been awhile since I've been on this forum. My former id was herbqueen. I'm along term fibro 14 years turned neuro 6 years ago with MS type symptoms-optic neuritis, numbness, balance, dizziness etc. A lyme herbal protocol triggered a neuro attack. So did flagyl/diflucan fungal theory treatment 2 years ago which left me numb all over and in hell for 10months. Anyway, I've climbed back from that to being more functional using homeopathy and exercise/meditation, juicing, high raw vegan diet, prayer you name it. I then developed ovarian complex cysts- so between my existing neuro/lyme and that decided to try a modified gerson therapy. It's been 2 weeks and the coffee enemas had me boucing off the walls/stopped sleeping, so I cut the coffee dose to 1/2 ( 3 TBLSP to 2 quarts). It's aggravated my neuro symptoms of twitching, jerking, seizure type jerks (subtle mainly at night) and nervous irritation/anxiety system on fire, still losing sleep. I'm not sure if it is detox /gerson or the caffeine being toxic to me? 3 years ago when I became SO sick from the drugs I had my phase I/phase II liver detox checked. My phase I was too fast, and phase II to slow. They use caffeine to test this and I did not clear that. So...... am I just not able to handle caffeine. So frustrating as I'm running out of therapies to try reverse this illness. I was so sick 3 years ago I did not dare stick my toe into the antibiotic for chronic lyme world. Thinking about HBOT, but really hoping Gerson might help me with my obgyn issues as well as chronic lyme. I reasoned if it cured TB why not Lyme? Any thoughts? I'm 50 years of age. I was working until 2 .5 years ago when my 3rd MS type attack forced me to quit working. Thank you!
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    In addition to IGENEX positive for Lyme, I also test high for EBV, parasites, Hplyori, Candida--at least for what I've tested for so far!
  20. maryb

    maryb iherb code TAK122

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    If you check greenshots post she says start low - 8oz to I think 2/3 teaspoons, maybe your solution was just too strong, also what about adding in something gentle like camomile?

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