The 12th Invest in ME Research Conference June, 2017, Part 2
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"Vaccines Revealed" Documentary Series

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Old Bones, Jan 11, 2017.

  1. Old Bones

    Old Bones Senior Member

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    This documentary series may be of interest to those who have linked their ME-onset to vaccination, and those who are interested in hearing a perspective regarding the safety, efficacy and health impact of vaccines that differs from that offered by the mainstream medical system.

    http://www.vaccinesrevealed.com/
     
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  2. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl ME is not MUS

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    Thanks for the link @Old Bones I had signed up for this but haven't listened to it yet.

    For the last 15 years I have been researching vaccination. Initially, it was an interest that grew out of my family history. A member of my family, Benjamin Jesty, was the first (known) vaccinator in 1774, 22 years before Dr Jenner tried to take the title of the first vaccinator.

    After writing the family history around that of smallpox, I researched the success of vaccines. I was very disappointed to learn that what I had accepted over the years was false. During the 19th century, vaccines created the 'slaughter of the innocents' and by 1928 even the BMJ challenged the safety of vaccines. In fact it claimed that people who are vaccinated are five times more likely to die of the disease than those who are not vaccinated. (It is a loooooong story)

    I have just finished a 234 page booklet on the subject and one can only conclude that the success of vaccination has been exaggerated while the damage for which it is responsible is swept under the carpet.
     
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  3. Tammy

    Tammy Senior Member

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    I have been investigating research on vaccines deeply for about the last couple of years and I am appalled. Knowing what I know now.........I consider it nothing less than criminal to give vaccinations.
     
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  4. Old Bones

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    My husband has experienced fluctuating autoimmune-type symptoms for more than six weeks after getting this season's flu vaccine. Considering my ME, we are understandably concerned that this may be a long-lasting situation for him. I haven't had a flu shot for years -- supported by my GP, and more recently by an internal medicine specialist. What do they know that the population at large isn't being told?

    Since deciding that my husband will never again get a flu shot, we've been surprised to learn just how many others have reached the same conclusion -- it's better to risk the flu. Because, no one knows that they're among those that could be harmed by vaccines until it's too late. Or, perhaps everyone falls into that category. I'm certainly not qualified to make that assessment. Better to be safe than sorry.
     
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    *GG* Senior Member

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    All vaccinations?

    GG
     
  6. Tammy

    Tammy Senior Member

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    Yes.........All vaccinations.
     
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  7. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    There is strong evidence for the efficacy (and thus value) of most vaccines (eg those universally given in Western countries), because herd immunity is achieved and the infection rates are very very low.
    Flu vaccine not so much (studies do not have a sample size large enough to show the Flu vaccine saves any lives and herd immunity does not seem to be achieved).

    The problem is that those who do have (very rare) immunological reactions to vaccines are dismissed and told it is a big coincidence and it often leads to delayed diagnosis or poor care.

    This is compounded by all the bullshit around the "Vaccines cause autism" movement. Autism is not caused by vaccines, we do have whole-population based studies that show it does not, along with neuroimaging that shows it is a neurodevelopmental disorder with signs occurring before infants are vaccinated.
     
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    Hell...Hath...No...Fury.. Senior Member

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    Many thanks @Old Bones just signed up and about to watch the first ep. Already had a virus for 6 months prior but it was a tetanus jab that finished me off and caused me the complete loss of my body within 2 weeks of having it. Thanks for sharing
     
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  10. Esther12

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    To me it seems like vaccines are one of the clearest success stories around in medicine. It's easy to forget how bad things were without them. That's not to say that no-one will have a bad response to one, but when ballancing up the costs and benefits of vaccines we're a lot better off with them than without.
     
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    Hell...Hath...No...Fury.. Senior Member

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    Loved watching that video and love that first doc. Looking forward to watching the rest.
     
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    Fascinating first video. I have to say I admire Andrew Wakefield. He comes across as a compassionate, intelligent man
     
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  13. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl ME is not MUS

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    I have watched half the video.....................until Microsoft decided to update the computer and swiped everything from the screen.................is it permissible to loathe Microsoft with a passion?:aghhh:........bring back Windows 7....................!!!!!..........anyway, where were we?................oh yes, vaccines...................the documentary was excellent I thought. Dr Wakefield was impressive: a man of great compassion and integrity. I am so glad he is exonerated and I hope his case for defamation against the BMJ is successful. I bet the true facts never get reported in the UK press though. If only there were more doctors of courage and integrity like him.

    Before I researched the background and science behind vaccination I used to accept the myth that vaccines were a success story...............after all I wanted to feel proud that my family were the first to conduct the first vaccination in England. It was a success when infected matter was used straight from the cow, but it all went pear shaped when Jenner muscled in on the action 22 years later and attempted to invent a system of mass vaccination. Initially, it was heralded as a great gift from God, and described 'as though an angel's trumpet had sounded over the earth'. As early as 1810 it became clear that the angel's trumpet had sounded more of a death march than the conquest of smallpox...........and it went downhill from there on as well described in the early editions of the Lancet and BMJ. Jenner came to be regarded as a modern day Herod because of the deaths vaccination caused. The WHO glossed over the true story of vaccination when it announced the eradication of smallpox. I have spent many years researching the subject between the years 1765 to the present day and the facts are most certainly not as we have been led to believe. The disasters are far too common and its efficacy has been greatly exaggerated. Everyone should research the subject for themselves and not just accept the official story. It is in fact quite shocking.
     
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    Thanks for the history lesson, @Countrygirl . We're just getting ready to watch the first video.

    BTW, I was beginning to loathe Microsoft until my husband removed Windows 10 from my laptop, and reinstalled Windows 7. Haven't had computer problems since.
     
  15. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl ME is not MUS

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    Your hubby wouldn't like to pop over the pond and do the same for my laptop, @Old Bones, please ? Just turn slightly NE when he hits the red cliffs..........

    I'll put the kettle on................:):hug:
     
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    Those of us who have been ill for more than half our lives due to vaccines administered when we were children/adolescents have somewhat more mixed feelings... (severe illness, rapid onset within a few weeks of vaccination)

    The only sympathy most people can manage, "Gee, thanks for taking one for the team" doesn't make me feel any better.
     
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  17. Esther12

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    Yes... and it's the opposite emotional response for those whose illness followed an inferction for which there is yet no vaccine! It does seem that vaccines are better than infections... although:

    When society treats so many of those with health problems so poorly any risk will become an injustice.

    How was it claimed Wakefield had been exonerated?
     
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    We watched the first episode of the docu-series last evening, and like others, perceived Wakefield to be an intelligent and compassionate doctor. My personal leaning is that vaccines are not as safe for everyone as they are made out to be by mainstream medicine, especially the adjuvants or other impurities. However, regarding Wakefield's vaccine/autism link, there's enough credible opposition to his position to keep me sitting "firmly on the fence". After further investigation, it appears the Wakefield video footage is not current, and that he has not been exonerted.

    Here are a few words from a doctor very familiar to ME patients, taken from the Wikipedia site about Wakefield:

    "Dr Ian Lipkin, professor of epidemiology and director of the Center for Infection and Immunity at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, writing in the Wall Street Journal, said: "If Vaxxed had been submitted as science fiction, it would merit attention for its story line, character development and dialogue. But as a documentary it misrepresents what science knows about autism, undermines public confidence in the safety and efficacy of vaccines, and attacks the integrity of legitimate scientists and public-health officials."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
     
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    With the help of family, my wife and I have contributed quite a bit of money to Lipkin's CII, even as recently as over the holidays. I have to say though that his unequivocal stance on vaccines makes me pause every time, and think if my money might be better going elsewhere...like OMF, to whom we also contribute.

    I'm not wildly anti-vaccine, but I'm greatly troubled when anyone feels the need to overstate what is known...as the pro-vaccine crowd is quick to do given any opportunity. If the truth is on your side, there is no need to overstate it and defend it like religion...
     
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    I know what you mean, and there are some people who I think can be pro-vaccine in a way that (for eg) causes them to dismiss the possibility of rare side-effects in a way that I think can create suspicion of the legitimate pro-vaccine arguments, but I've not seen Lipkin do that. I think Wakefield does have a record of misrepresenting the evidence and it's good to call him out on that.
     

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