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UK First Commons' motion on ME/CFS in the new Parliamentary session

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by V99, Jul 8, 2010.

  1. V99

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    http://www.meassociation.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1341:first-commons-motion-on-mecfs-in-the-new-parliamentary-session-launched-6-july-2010&catid=30:news&Itemid=161

    6 July 2010

    Is it worth anything?
     
  2. Angela Kennedy

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  3. Dx Revision Watch

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    EDMs are not worth much and this one has not been worded well.

    "...many patients with CFS can, if they receive appropriate support, make considerable progress and live free of relapse"

    ??????

    "...many patients with CFS can, if they receive appropriate support, make considerable progress and live the life they love..."

    Those who have not been kicked off the MEA's Facebook site may wish to register their dismay that a poorly worded EDM has been laid down before the content could be discussed at an APPG on ME meeting.

    http://edmi.parliament.uk/edmi/

    Suzy
     
  4. Athene

    Athene ihateticks.me

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    further notes that many patients with CFS can, if they receive appropriate support, make considerable progress and live free of relapse

    THIS IS TERRIFYING. This is CBT/GET being enforced by law.

    People with real CFS do not 'make progress' and 'live free of relapse'. This is the mythology of Simon Wessely being turned into the law.

    As I said, this is terrifying.
     
  5. Dx Revision Watch

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    I can confirm that Dr Charles Shepherd, Honorary Medical Adviser and Trustee to the ME Association and the org rep who has shared the secretariat function for the APPG on ME, has responded to concerns about the wording and origination of this EDM.

    He has said that [the ME Association] are not involved in the EDM and nor is the APPG on ME.

    The only good thing is that EDMs are pretty low profile methods of raising awareness amongst parliamentarians and rarely result in a debate being secured.

    The author of this EDM should of course have consulted with the outgoing APPG on ME or held back until the new APPG on ME had been formed (which took place on 7 July) and then the content and wording of any proposed EDM should have been discussed at an APPG on ME meeting.

    Occasionally, EDMs are picked up by the media or an APPG group will promote an EDM or an interest group will encourage members of the public to lobby their MPs to sign up to an EDM.

    But mostly they sink unnoticed.

    I can't see too many people encouraging their MPs to sign up to this one.

    Question is who lobbied/briefed this MP?

    Suzy
     
  6. Dx Revision Watch

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    EDMs are not legislative.

    Dozens are "laid down" every week by MPs.

    They are open to signatures from MPs for a certain length of time (for a Parliamentary Term, I think) and then they close. Occasionally, as a result of an EDM, a debate is held which is recorded verbatim in Hansard.

    If you go here, you can see the most recent EDMs:

    http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMList.aspx


    http://edmi.parliament.uk/edmi/

    Early day motions (EDMs) are formal motions submitted for debate in the House of Commons. However, very few EDMs are actually debated. Instead, they are used for reasons such as publicising the views of individual MPs, drawing attention to specific events or campaigns, and demonstrating the extent of parliamentary support for a particular cause or point of view.

    An MP can add their signature to an EDM to show their support. They can also submit amendments to an existing EDM. Although majority of EDMs are never debated, the group of EDMs known as 'prayers' may be debated. Prayers are motions to overturn Statutory Instruments (laws made by Ministers under powers deriving from Acts of Parliament). Further information on EDM procedure can be found in the Commons Information Office Factsheet Early Day Motions.

    Up-to-date and searchable information on EDMs is available from the Early Day Motions database. The database is updated nightly with new EDMs and signatures added to existing EDMs. To look at EDMs from any session going back to 1989/90, select the session you want from the pull down menu in the top right hand corner of the screen. For EDMs and signatures prior to 1989/90, please contact the House of Commons Information Office (020 7219 4272).
     
  7. Dx Revision Watch

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    I would suggest contacting Shepherd or AfME and requesting that the wording is amended.

    The wording is not good and not helpful and we have had poorly worded EDMs in the past drated by the MEA in conjunction with former MP Dr Ian Gibson.

    We should also try to establish who was responsible for briefing the MP who drafted the EDM (or had the EDM drafted for him - sometimes an MP's parliamentary researcher will draft EDMs).

    But the status and purpose of EDMs needs to be understood:

    "...they are used for reasons such as publicising the views of individual MPs, drawing attention to specific events or campaigns, and demonstrating the extent of parliamentary support for a particular cause or point of view."

    They are not legislative.

    Suzy
     
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    These EDMs (which relate to the nature and purpose of EDMs and in which the first of the two calls for reform or abolition of EDMs) will be of interest. The second is an Amendment to the first EDM.


    http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=41375&SESSION=905

    EDM 432 EARLY DAY MOTIONS07.07.2010


    Evans, Graham

    That this House regrets the continuing decline in importance of Early Day Motions which have become a campaign tool for external organisations; notes the role of public affairs professionals in drafting Early Day Motions and encouraging members of the organisations they represent to send pro forma emails and postcards to hon. Members; further notes the huge volume of correspondence that this generates and the consequent office and postage costs incurred; believes that the organisations involved derive little benefit from Early Day Motions, which very rarely have any influence on policy; further believes that public affairs professionals are aware of the ineffectiveness of Early Day Motions, but continue to use them to attempt to justify their services; questions the value for money to the taxpayer of Early Day Motions of whatever origin; and calls for the system of Early Day Motions to be reformed or abolished.

    Signatures( 4)

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    EDM 432A1 EARLY DAY MOTIONS08.07.2010


    Lewis, Julian
    leave out from `House' to end and add `recognises that Early Day Motions provide one of only a few methods of registering the views of large numbers of hon. Members, other than by votes in the House; believes that they enable hon. Members to generate support for worthwhile causes; consequently opposes their abolition; and accordingly advises hon. Members who do not wish to sign them simply to decline to do so.'.

    Signatures( 1)
     
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    Athene, I hope the posts above will help to reassure you about the purpose and parliamentary status of EDMs.

    A few years ago, former MP, Dr Ian Gibson, laid down an EDM for a debate around eating disorders. He was associated at the time with the patient org BEAT. His EDM did result in a debate which is unusual and the debate is recorded in Hansard.

    Also don't be alarmed by the formal sounding wording - this is the format that EDMs are tabled in.

    There are written and tabled by a named MP on behalf of cause in which he/she has an interest. Then other MPs sign up in support of the issues being raised. They can be on any subject in which an MP has an interest (or has been lobbied to raise awareness of). Some EDMs receive very few signatures in support. Occasionally an EDM will result in a debate.

    If I were an MP, I might, for example, table an EDM around the Crawley research pilot:

    (Example only)

    "That this House notes that an estimated 80,000 children and young people in the UK are living with myalgic encephalomyelitis; further notes that ME is the largest cause of long-term absence in schools; supports the calls of patients and carers for research into the cause of this illness and effective treatments; is aware that an NHS Bath research team intends to study the application of a controversial programme called the Lightning Process in children as young as eight; notes that no rigorous, controlled trials have been undertaken into the safety and acceptability of the application of the Lightning Process in adults and calls on the Department of Health to ensure that researchers comply with the Medical Research Council's guidance that research involving children should only be carried out if it cannot feasibly be carried out on adults."

    Annette Brooke is my MP and I have been advised this morning that she has volunteered for Vice-Chair of the reformed APPG on ME.
     
  10. Athene

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    Thank you for clarifying all that, ME Agenda. I feel a lot less alarmed now!
    :Retro smile:
     
  11. Dx Revision Watch

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    That's good.

    Best,

    Suzy
     
  12. Dx Revision Watch

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    ME Association is, according to Tony Britton, working on a reply.

    ETA:

    From MEA Facebook Wall:

    Tony Britton writes:

    "...it's very strangely worded. But the MEA doesn't have a position as yet. We only found about it yesterday after it was launched."
     
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    APPG on ME new committee (UK)

    From AfME's Website:

    All Party Parliamentary Group on M.E.

    Chair: David Amess
    Vice-Chair: Annette Brook MP*
    Secretary: John Leech MP
    Treasurer: Martin Vickers MP

    [Ed:Brooke]

    Minutes of a meeting of the All Party Parliamentary Group on M.E.
    held at 11am, Wednesday 7 July 2010
    Room B, 1 Parliament Street London


    Present

    Parliamentarians


    David Amess MP - chair of this meeting
    Annette Brook MP
    John Leech MP
    Martin Vickers MP

    Parliamentary office representatives in attendance

    Joanna Ashworth, office of David Amess MP
    Richard Crossick, office of John Leech MP

    Secretariat in attendance

    Sir Peter Spencer (Action for M.E.)
    Charles Shepherd (MEA)

    Apologies:

    Harriet Baldwin MP
    Tony Baldry MP


    1.Welcome

    David Amess welcomed his fellow MPs and explained that the meeting had been
    called to see if the APPG for M.E. should be formed again in the new
    Parliament and re-registered on the approved list. He had agreed to sponsor
    this inaugural meeting because he was the only remaining officer from the
    APPG on M.E. in the previous Parliament still able to participate.

    2. Election of Officers

    The meeting was quorate and elected the following officers:

    Chair - David Amess MP
    Vice-Chair - Annette Brook MP
    Secretary - John Leech MP
    Treasurer - Martin Vickers MP

    David Amess explained that he would act as chair on an interim basis only
    because of the volume of his other commitments. He had found a fellow MP who
    would be very suitable as chair and hoped that this member would come
    forward for election to the post before too long. Meanwhile he would hold
    the fort.

    3. Registration


    The meeting decided to apply for re-registration on the list of approved
    APPGs. The secretariat confirmed that the criteria for qualifying members
    had been met with a list of 20 parliamentarians of the required party mix.
    David Amess and John Leech signed the application form. This will now be
    delivered to The Office of the Parliamentary commissioner of Standards ahead
    of the 13 July deadline.

    4. Date of Next meeting

    It was decided that the next meeting of the APPG would be held in November
    2010. This would be preceded by an informal planning meeting in September to
    discuss the future agenda and decide how the group will operate in this
    Parliament.

    5. AOB

    The secretariat distributed copies of the legacy paper which was produced by
    the previous APPG and of the "Turner" paper on the APPG inquiry into NHS
    Service Provision for M.E./CFS.
     

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