UK Doctors to get MUS/ME patients to draw pie charts to re-attribute cause of symptoms

[Countrygirl]

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/traininpsy...ferencesandcourses/cbtphysicalillnessmus.aspx

Working with Long Term Physical Illness & Medically Unexplained Symptoms
Using the five areas assessment CBT model to help patients improve

This workshop will give you specific assessment and management skills based on the five areas assessment CBT model. You will cover a range of interventions to help the patient use experiments and structured problem solving plans to improve how they feel.

Attending this course will enable you to:

• Describe the range of illness responses and understand these using a cognitive behavioural framework
• Help make sense of the patient's current presentation – including how to assess complex presentations such as chronic fatigue and pain
• Identify factors that are worsening how the person feels and choose realistic targets for change
• Use concepts such as pie charts to help patients reattribute the causes of their symptoms
• Describe in detail a plan to increase activity levels in order to overcome avoidance and reduced activity

 

[duncan]

Reminds me of the old management by objectives school of thought promoted by Drucker in the 50's and enjoyed popularity back in the 80's....Didn't really work as often as some imagined it might, if I recall correctly, although it did remove some pressure associated with managing.

 

[alex3619]

Can I add a wedge in the pie chart labelled something like MUS is whacko, get real?

 

[andyguitar]

The only thing I can say about this is how very silly it all sounds.

 

[Countrygirl]

The only thing I can say about this is how very silly it all sounds.

It's pathetic! @andyguitar

You would think they would have the sense to cringe with embarassment to recommend such nonsense or do they really think that their patients are so wet behind the ears that we would be grateful for this 'medical' input?

 

[andyguitar]

I dont think the medical profession are going to bother with any of it. Average GP appointment lasts 8 minutes. No way are they going to spend that time farting about with this load of cobblers. And what happens if a patient fails to complete their pie chart? Half hour on the naughty step? 100 lines? Six of the best?

 

[SilverbladeTE]

Pie charts because its backed by the Corporate and other scum, who want to promote cruelty and inhumanity

 

[NelliePledge]

When you’ve drawn the pie chart really large on a big piece of paper put it on the floor and stand inside the circle and shout STOP.

Total bollocks

 

[Ben H]

Reminds me of my twitter post from a while back:

 

[Ben H]

I.E. a crock of....


B

 

[Seven7]

So if you ask Ron Davis for a short recording of the cells not recovering from salt, what part of the chart is that?

 

[alex3619]

So if you ask Ron Davis for a short recording of the cells not recovering from salt, what part of the chart is that?

[Satire]
Well clearly our cells are suffering from psychiatric problems. Our fubar minds are training our cells to behave badly, and our cells remember even when out of our bodies. Now given this happens to so-called healthy people's cells too, when put in our serum, this means their cells are behaving badly too. So their minds are also fubar, but closet fubar. So they are closet psych patients, including the psychs themselves.

If they deny this they are in full psychiatric denial, and don't want to admit they have mental health issues. If they campaign against this then they are whacko extremist advocates, just like the ME advocate scientists, doctors and psychologists. They clearly have a vexatious interest in disrupting the clear and obvious Truth.

Everyone is crazy. We need to dose all the water supplies with antidepressants and antipsychotics, and fortify common foods like milk and bread with them. Oh, except for those who are both wheat and gluten sensitive ... they need to take Vitamin Psych pills instead.

I better go buy shares in Vitamin Psych. Its going to be a boom industry, and I need the money to pay for my shiny metal hats.

Oh, no, I just had a horrifying thought. What if this pie chart stuff really works!!! I better go buy some shares in some pie companies too.

[End Satire]

 

[anni66]

It' s a standard cbt technique. Used with teenagers . That says it all really.