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TRIAL BY ERROR: The Troubling Case of the PACE Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Study

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Daisymay, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. Ellkaye

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    The 5 million pound PACE fiddles of the same band that continue to play on and on. The music they've been producing brainwashed two generations of medics globally. Frightening influence. Chilling effect. Truly horrific in its reach and influence. It was too easy for them.
    I don't know what disease they've been treating but it is not the ME as defined by Melvin Ramsay. An expert panel needs to do the right thing now. And the Lancet have to ask searching questions, listen to testimonies,and ultimately withdraw this paper. Everybody has to come together and say a very big No to this paper.

    Almost as bad as that Dr Oz show where they kept going on about a woman's disease..Unbelievable that the MD's and researchers on that show let that go. Man up all you sick men ! You don't want this woman's disease do you !! How can anything those researchers publish have an iota of credibility after that !

    Games. Games, and games.Pulling out every trick in the book.

    Just reporting the facts.

    One big poker game. Bluffers all around the table. They just kept winning by bluffs and tv shows. A true dishonour. Shameful. Imagine you're a true ME patient sitting round the poker table with these guys, the cbt/get ers on your left and pre/post 3year-cytokines/chemokines ers on your right just as bad. What do you do? Just what do you do?

    You call their bluff until they fold and only then do you look at them straight in the eyes.

    Remember Charles Van Doren : "I lied to the American people.I lied about what I knew,and then I lied about what I did not know.''
     
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  2. Tom Kindlon

    Tom Kindlon Senior Member

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    ballard Senior Member

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    Dragon.png

    A huge thank you to David Tuller and James Coyne for their magnificent efforts to have the very damaging
    PACE trial retracted from The Lancet. For all the amazing people who are contributing to this effort, including
    Tom Kindlin and Vincent Racaniello, my best regards and gratitude.

    Thanks also to SOC (aka Annie Gsample) for suggesting the dragon idea for a cartoon.

    More CFS graphics at cfsgraphics.com
     
  4. Tom Kindlon

    Tom Kindlon Senior Member

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    Thanks. By the way, it's spelled "Kindlon" not "Kindlin".

    FYI, I've tweeted your image and James C Coyne liked it:


    See also:
     
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  5. ballard

    ballard Senior Member

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    Tom,
    Sorry I messed up your name. :bang-head::bang-head::bang-head:
     
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  6. Tom Kindlon

    Tom Kindlon Senior Member

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    No worries at all. It's an usual name (we think it is an anglicised version of a Gaelic name).
     
  7. Graham

    Graham Senior Moment

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    Actually, really it used to be "Kindling": when he was younger, he was hot!
     
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  8. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    What are you talking about you old man, he is still hot!
     
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  9. Graham

    Graham Senior Moment

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    Since going down with ME I hear that he has chills, they're multiplying...
     
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  10. daisybell

    daisybell Senior Member

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    But he's not losing control.....!
     
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  11. Bob

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    He's electrifying...
     
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  12. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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  13. Yogi

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    Drum roll........Ladies and Gentleman !

    Here is the media relations officer that Pam Das and the Lancet were recruiting after David Tuller's expose.

    Miss Seil Collins
    https://uk.linkedin.com/in/seil-collins-74413a47

    1. She has done a course at King's College London in Crisis Management
    2. She was Press Officer, Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience
    King's College London

    It is all very incestuous with this lot. No conflict of interest here. I can imagine Wessely would have given her a good reference.

    This looks like Lancet are going to dig their heels in with PACE.
     
  14. BurnA

    BurnA Senior Member

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    How about a 'good luck in your new job' card ?
    :D
     
  15. Esther12

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    I'd forgotten how bad the PACE recovery press release was.

    http://www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/news/records/2013/January/recovery-from-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-.aspx
     
  16. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    What a joke.
     
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  17. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    Interned at the Science Media Centre: http://www.bionews.org.uk/seilcollins
     
  18. jimells

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    OMG!!

    Are all these people in some kind of group marriage or a cult or something? I mean, how could anybody be that incestuous without actually being siblings?

    It it just incredible that they are so brazen about it all, and no one even seems to notice.
     
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    Makes you wonder if anyone has footage of the initiation ritual.
     
  20. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Well that recruitment process was obviously a joke. As with the PACE trial - start with the result, then go through the motions of arriving at it the proper way and hope no-one notices.
     

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