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TRIAL BY ERROR: The Troubling Case of the PACE Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Study

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  1. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

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    Is it the holiday season already?
     
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    alex3619 Senior Member

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    The superhuman argument is an old one and a good one. Its been kicking around since, I think, 2011.
     
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    alex3619 Senior Member

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    Short excerpts, and not wholesale replication, for the purpose of review, are allowed under copyright law.
     
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  4. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards "Gibberish"

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    Certainly not, what is needed is an increase in the graded excoriation therapy. Does the world of good.
     
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    adreno PR activist

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    Jingle bells, Jingle bells...
     
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  6. Kyla

    Kyla ᴀɴɴɪᴇ ɢꜱᴀᴍᴩᴇʟ

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    Its been retweeted a bunch. gonna just let it be.
     
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    Kati Patient in training

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    Yep, absolutely nowhere to hide on this one. It was deliberate. They knew exactly what they were doing.
     
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    This is a great collection of quotes. Thanks for putting it together.

    By next week these same "experts" will be saying

     
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    Nope. The Wessely School is in disorderly retreat - now is the time to redouble the attack. No resting allowed until they are in court.

    I believe that Dr Tuller is methodically and carefully zeroing in on the real target: the fraud and corruption behind the entire sordid exercise.

    It remains me of the collapse of the Berlin Wall. One day it seemed unassailable. The next, it was gone.
     
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    I believe that it could be far worse than that for them. One thing they really do not want is an independent review of what they have done by experts. They could lose their academic careers, and their medical licenses, and be subject to further legal sanctions. Their legacy of papers will be put under the microscope, and some or many or all may be retracted.
     
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  15. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    Here is to hoping. They deserve all of the above. i would hope for all the papers to be retracted. Nice guidelines to go away.

    It reminds me of the Iceland bankers story, the ones who disrupted the global markets back in 2008 or so. All of them to jail.
     
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    Thanks for asking Viggster- it's good that that you asked her rather than one of us that she doesn't know. That is a shame as she could be great if she investigated this further. American journalists are generally doing a good job. If you have any contact with journalists on this side of the pond to break the Science Media Centre's magic spell on them that would very helpful!!

    Cheers
     
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    Tom Kindlon Senior Member

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    For ease of access, would it be worth gathering all of Tuller's recent pieces on PACE and now FINE, together in one place?
     
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