The 12th Invest in ME Conference, Part 1
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Trial By Error, Continued: A Few Words About “Harassment” David Tuller

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Cheshire, Feb 1, 2016.

  1. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member

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    Another new blogpost by David Tuller!

    http://www.virology.ws/2016/02/01/trial-by-error-continued-a-few-words-about-harassment/
     
  2. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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  3. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    Poor, poor PACE researchers... Where's mommy?
     
  4. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    'How are patients supposed to react when a study so completely ignores scientific norms, and no one else seems to notice or care, no matter how many times it is pointed out?'
     
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  5. Chrisb

    Chrisb Senior Member

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    An excellent article. The references to the contributions made by various newspapers brought to mind the old verse:

    You cannot hope
    to bribe, or twist,
    Thank God! the
    British journalist.

    But, seeing what
    the man will do
    unbribed, there's
    no occasion to.

    Humbert Wolfe
     
  6. Comet

    Comet I'm Not Imaginary

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    Perhaps some CBT could help the PACE researchers feel more positive about the situation. :thumbsup:
     
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  7. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    False harassment beliefs?
     
  8. Comet

    Comet I'm Not Imaginary

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    Must be. The rainbows and unicorns they prescribe for us might make them feel better. Let's give them a questionnaire to see if it works... :balloons:
     
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  9. Mrs Sowester

    Mrs Sowester Senior Member

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    Just seen Ellen G's reply, is she pro or anti PACE today? I can't keep up...
     
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  10. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member

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    She's better ignored. Don't think it would be fruitful to engage with her.
     
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  11. Artstu

    Artstu Senior Member

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    She wasn't involved in PACE was she?

     
  12. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    love it.
     
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  13. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    I love this man! :angel:
     
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  14. Mrs Sowester

    Mrs Sowester Senior Member

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    I recall her posting here on PR about her criticisms of it. It was the thread where she left the site...
    There was some implication she was involved with it in some way and raised criticisms with the team who weren't happy with her. But I don't have the best memory so may be more than a little hazy on the details!
     
  15. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    I think she's anti, but when any PWME questions her views or assertions she wraps herself in victimhood too and claims organised harrasassment against her by anti-psych ME cyberbullies, thus maintaining the fiction of the BPS crowd's portrayal of us.
     
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  16. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    x2.
     
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  17. chipmunk1

    chipmunk1 Senior Member

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    Do more CBT?
     
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  18. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    Ellen seems anti-PACE, but also anti anyone but her getting credit for revealing any problems with it. I think that her ego causes some real problems.
     
  19. eastcoast12

    eastcoast12 Senior Member

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    Amazing!! :thumbsup:
     
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  20. leela

    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    One thing Mr. Tuller might mention next time is that even if there were a wild card or two in the patient population
    (and what population won't have them,) painting an entire group of people with the broadest blackest brushstrokes based on the (alleged) actions of one or two people
    is irresponsible and illogical at best.
     
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