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'Treatments' for 'sexual deviance', lessons for CFS?

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Esther12, Jun 4, 2014.

  1. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    I'm starting this thread after having made a series of slightly OT posts in a thread about 'personality and CFS' research. I was just about to make another post there, but thought I'd move to a new thread instead. Most of the following has been taken from this thread, but I thikn can be understood in isolation: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...hronic-fatigue-syndrome-a-controlled-s.19947/.


    Coincidentally (or maybe not), I've just stumbled upon this piece from Peter Tatchell which discusses Isaac Marks's use of aversion therapy. Isaac Marks was a co-author on this early Wessely CBT RCT for CFS:

    Cognitive behavior therapy for chronic fatigue syndrome: A randomized controlled trial.
    Deale, Alicia; Chalder, Trudie; Marks, Isaac; Wessely, Simon
    The American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol 154(3), Mar 1997, 408-414.


    This description of Mark's approach does rather remind me a the biopsychosocial approach to the 'management' of the sick:

    http://www.petertatchell.net/lgbt_rights/psychiatry/dentist.htm

    He was a founding member of BABCP (British Association for Behavioural and Cognitive Psychotherapies), which Chalder now chairs.

    Reading some of this old psychology of homosexuality stuff... it's really disgusting. A lot of the people involved went on to continue to be respected as researchers into this century.
    ...

    This section of John Bancroft's book seemed to have some lessons for CFS too:

    There's more after that which is interesting too.

    This guy's write up of himself sounds very like CFS quacks too:

    http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/about/bancroft-cv.html

    This piece is open access by Isaac Marks and John Bancroft (both mentioned earlier), on aversion therapy for sexual deviance: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1902433/?page=1

    The CFS CBT RCT I Marks was involved in is available here: http://journals.psychiatryonline.org/data/Journals/AJP/3674/408.pdf
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member

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    This section of a recent editorial from the Lancet seemed relevant:

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...ternal/Family Medicine|General Surgery|Lancet

    It's interesting reading criticisms of the way homosexuality was treated from current medical/psychiatric authorities, as it often seems to skirt around the problems with the research in this area.

    To me, it seems that the problem was founded upon unwarranted claims of medical expertise justified by nonblinded trials which used self-report measures as outcomes, and served to promote stigmatising assumptions about the individuals who could supposedly be 'treated'. Acknowledging that would be rather awkward for a lot of people.
     
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    More generally, promoting a view in society that people have more control over any aspect of their lives than is truly the case does create this oppressive pressure to do what it takes to be 'functional': find that treatment, adopt that behaviour, take those pills, alter those cognitions... whatever it takes to stop you from being what we don't like. You have to be willing to at least TRY...

    The above point has been made so many times here, but I just had another conversation that made me think of it again after posting in this tread, and it does remind me of lots of things I've seen gay people complain about.
     
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