Freddd
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Hi Valentijn,
So once again, the treatment is never wrong, it's just patients who must be misinterpreting their "side-effects"
You are certainly showing how you think here. This had nothing at all to do with patients interpreting anything. This is all about how the doctors and the AMA, the "system, made it near impossible for anybody to be healed by b12 of any kind and even to acknowledge that sometimes b12 can work. The AMA was threatening to prosecute, or persecute the doctors who continued to treat patients with B12 merely because the patients claimed benefit. The doctors were not allowed to listen to the patients if they clamed benefit. That is abusive of both the doctor and the patient and should have been a huge scandal. Instead it was treated as the AMA protecting the patients from money grubbing quacks. Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it.
I have read hundreds of studies on CyCbl And HyCbl. As previously stated an average of 33% did not respond in any way. 66% tended to have very minor changes in blood work, ie MCV coming down from 105 to 100 (success of a dubious kind). When an occasional person had hypokalemia they would have to discontinue if it was severe. While they noted the hypokalemia is a result of starting to make red blood cells, the protocols used don't allow adding additional items. Further when people reported immediate results such as "increased energy" and "feeling better" from the injection, based on AMA policy these people were reporting "placebo" effects and the doctors were told that they would be prosecuted for giving B12 to people like they were drug addicts because they said it made them feel better and request B12. Since "WE KNOW" that a vitamin can't have immediate effects like that it has to be placebo".
The doctors, under threat from the AMA were ignoring every person who actually responded and the AMA called that "placebo". Because the ones with "undesirable side effects" and hypokalemia is a dangerous and undesirable side effect all right but they also acknowledged that it was caused by rapid cell formation, but because of the protocol they couldn't do a thing. Then the big flaw was that they didn't t get all the responders in a study and chart out the clinical path of healing. They were systematically ignoring all the actual results and studying all the people that had no healing responses, only those whose changes were so minor that microscopic exam was the only way to see it
So once again, the treatment is never wrong, it's just patients who must be misinterpreting their "side-effects"
You are certainly showing how you think here. This had nothing at all to do with patients interpreting anything. This is all about how the doctors and the AMA, the "system, made it near impossible for anybody to be healed by b12 of any kind and even to acknowledge that sometimes b12 can work. The AMA was threatening to prosecute, or persecute the doctors who continued to treat patients with B12 merely because the patients claimed benefit. The doctors were not allowed to listen to the patients if they clamed benefit. That is abusive of both the doctor and the patient and should have been a huge scandal. Instead it was treated as the AMA protecting the patients from money grubbing quacks. Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it.
I have read hundreds of studies on CyCbl And HyCbl. As previously stated an average of 33% did not respond in any way. 66% tended to have very minor changes in blood work, ie MCV coming down from 105 to 100 (success of a dubious kind). When an occasional person had hypokalemia they would have to discontinue if it was severe. While they noted the hypokalemia is a result of starting to make red blood cells, the protocols used don't allow adding additional items. Further when people reported immediate results such as "increased energy" and "feeling better" from the injection, based on AMA policy these people were reporting "placebo" effects and the doctors were told that they would be prosecuted for giving B12 to people like they were drug addicts because they said it made them feel better and request B12. Since "WE KNOW" that a vitamin can't have immediate effects like that it has to be placebo".
The doctors, under threat from the AMA were ignoring every person who actually responded and the AMA called that "placebo". Because the ones with "undesirable side effects" and hypokalemia is a dangerous and undesirable side effect all right but they also acknowledged that it was caused by rapid cell formation, but because of the protocol they couldn't do a thing. Then the big flaw was that they didn't t get all the responders in a study and chart out the clinical path of healing. They were systematically ignoring all the actual results and studying all the people that had no healing responses, only those whose changes were so minor that microscopic exam was the only way to see it