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Tips for Finding Reliable and Trustworthy Online Pharmacies

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by Hip, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    Finding Trustworthy And Reliable Online Pharmacies

    Many people with chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) have to turn to online prescription-free pharmacies to obtain pharmaceutical drugs without needing to provide a prescription (often because doctors may refuse to prescribe drugs that can help ME/CFS).


    When looking for a prescription-free online pharmacy, we want a pharmacy that is trustworthy and reliable. We want a reliable pharmacy that:

    (1) Supplies genuine drugs, not fake drugs (although I understand that fake drugs generally do often contain the same active ingredient as legitimate drugs).

    (2) Reliably mails the drugs to you (with less reliable pharmacies, you find more frequent reports on online forums of drugs paid for but not arriving).

    (3) Does not pass on your personal details to spammers. Some online pharmacies will sell you email address or telephone number to spammers, and you may then get nuisance marketing telephone calls, or more email spam.

    (4) Does not use your credit card number fraudulently. Some very low end, unscrupulous online pharmacies will occasionally pass on your credit card details, leading to fraudulent use of your card. This has happened to me more than once. I am not sure if it is the management of the online pharmacies that is responsible, or whether it is just some dishonest employees working in the pharmacy.

    In any case, when an online pharmacy does start to engage in such fraudulent practices, very quickly reports of this will appear in online, so it is relatively easy to determine whether a pharmacy has fraudulent tendencies or not.




    Checking That An Online Prescription-Free Pharmacy Is Reliable

    In order to check that an online pharmacy is trustworthy and reliable, it is a good idea to start with a simple Google search on the pharmacy's web address, including in search words like scam, fake, counterfeit, fraud, forgery in a search. This will tend to pick up any articles about negative experiences with the pharmacy in question.

    So, for example, take inhousepharmacy.vu as a pharmacy to check in Google. The Google search on this pharmacy would be something like the following:

    www.inhousepharmacy.vu scam | fake | counterfeit | fraud | fraudulent | blacklist | ripoff

    Very quickly you can see from the above Google search results that there are no negative comments or bad reviews for inhousepharmacy.vu. So this indicates the pharmacy is good and reliable. This pharmacy actually has an excellent reputation, so it is not surprising that there are no negative online reviews.

    Now if we do the same search with a pharmacy known to have a bad reputation, like meds-easy.com, then we see in the following Google search very clear evidence of this bad reputation:

    www.meds-easy.com scam | fake | counterfeit | fraud | fraudulent | blacklist | ripoff

    So the above type of Google search is very useful for determining whether a pharmacy is reliable, or is bad.



    The next thing to check is how long the pharmacy has been around. A pharmacy that has been around for many years is likely to be more reliable that one that has only been around for one or two years (dubious or scam pharmacies often tend to come and go quickly).

    Determining the age of an online pharmacy can be done by checking the age of the pharmacy's web address (domain name age).

    Some online services that allow you to check the domain age are the following:
    Netcraft Site Report
    Domain age checker
    www.scamner.com
    Wayback Machine


    Another useful measure of a pharmacy's trustworthiness and reliability obtained via a Webutation search on the pharmacy. If you get a Webutation score of say less than 60% for a pharmacy, then that pharmacy is likely not particularly reliable.

    In my experience, the Webutation score correlates reasonably well with the online reputation and user reviews of a pharmacy found in a Google search, or found using pharmacy review websites. I find the pharmacies that have bad online reviews and bad user feedback usually have a low Webutation score of 40%, and the pharmacies that have excellent reviews tend to have excellent Webutations scores of 90% or 100%.

    The lowest score given by Webutation seems to be 40% (I have never seen any pharmacy get lower than this). If the pharmacy you are thinking of doing business with has a 40% Webutation score, you might want to find another pharmacy instead, unless the drug you want is not available elsewhere.

    Checking your pharmacy ScamAdviser and ScamVoid is also useful in determining if it has a good or bad reputation. ScamAdviser will also tell you the age of the pharmacy's web address (domain name).

    The table below lists some prescription-free online pharmacies that are reliable and excellent reputations:

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    Pharmacy . . . . . . . . Webutations Score

    www.inhousepharmacy.vu . . . . 90%
    goldpharma.com . . . . . . . . 100%
    www.unitedpharmacies.com . . . 90%
    www.unitedpharmacies-uk.md . . 90%
    www.genericdoctor.com. . . . . 100%
    www.antiaging-systems.com. . . 100%
    www.topdrugmart.co . . . . . . 100%
    brandmedicines.com . . . . . . 90%
    www.pharmacygeoff.md . . . . . 90%
    www.pharmacygeoff-uk.md. . . . 90%
    www.alldaychemist.com. . . . . 60%
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    Notes:
    • with goldpharma.com, you have to register on their site before you can see their stock.
    • alldaychemist.com has a lower Webutations score than the others, but very cheap prices. Very occasionally however, you hear reports of fraudulent credit card use after goods are ordered at alldaychemist.com.

    A list of online pharmacies with good reputations can be found here:
    www.pharmacyreviewer.com/reviews/all-online-pharmacies/editor-rating


    I am not sure if I trust the Web of Trust (WOT) website reputation checker. WOT has partnered with an organization called LegitScript who are acting to solely maintain pharmaceutical industry profits, and which I criticize below.




    ME/CFS Patients May Need To Buy Their Own Drugs Online

    Chronic fatigue syndrome patients may need to buy their own pharmaceutical drugs online because:

    (1) Disability: a patient may be housebound, and cannot easily get to a doctor.

    (2) Convenience: an ME/CFS patient may not quite be housebound, but due to mental frailty, may find meetings with doctors very hard work and exhausting, especially as many doctors can be dismissive, and even scathing, of ME/CFS. I personally found it hard to be with authority figures such as doctors when I was very ill with ME/CFS and anxiety disorder; I found it unpleasant to interact doctors, even though my doctor is a reasonably nice and accommodating guy. Sometimes your own mental frailty rom illness can make an appointment with a doctor very hard going.

    (3) ME/CFS patients may have difficulties in persuading their doctor to prescribe drugs to use off-label for ME/CFS. Furthermore, doctors may not have the freedom to prescribe drugs off-label, or not have the freedom to prescribe drugs experimentally, if they are guided by evidence-based medicine, or by insurance rules, or the rules of socialized medicine systems (such as the NHS in the UK).

    (4) Doctors may know very little about ME/CFS, so they would not know why a particular drug might be beneficial for ME/CFS. In many cases, patients are more knowledgable about ME/CFS than their doctor.

    (5) Many doctors still erroneously believe ME/CFS is a psychosomatic or somatoform disease, and so may not agree to prescribe antivirals, etc, because the doctor incorrectly assumes that the cause of ME/CFS is "all in the mind".

    (6) ME/CFS is a somewhat unusual disease in that drugs or supplements that are very helpful for one patient may provide no benefit for the next patient. Thus it usually requires trying out dozens of drugs one by one, until you find the right drug(s) that work well for you. There are over 250 drugs that can be beneficial for ME/CFS; you will be very lucky if you find a doctor who has the time and inclination to go through this process of trying out dozens of drugs one by one on the patient, in order to identify the ones that work. So this why ME/CFS patients can often make substantial improvements to their condition by buying and trying ME/CFS drugs themselves.

    (7) Lower costs: you can import generic versions of drugs from countries like India where the drugs are manufactured more cheaply. And for those without medical insurance in the US, it's certainly going to be cheaper to buy generic drugs online from overseas, rather than pay for a doctor's appointment, and then pay for the drugs in a US pharmacy. Many ME/CFS patients are unable to work, and because ME/CFS is often trivialized by the medical profession, it patients may not receive any disability allowance. So accessing medications at lower cost is important.

    If you buy pharmaceutical drugs yourself, it is a very good idea to use a drug interactions checker such as this one or this one to ensure there are no adverse interactions between the various drugs you are taking.




    LegitScript Wants to Block Access to Cheap Pharmaceuticals

    John Horton set up an organization called LegitScript which is trying to close down online pharmacies selling drugs without prescription, or forcing these pharmacies to ask clients for prescriptions.

    Horton set up LegitScript with a remit to stop people getting access to cheaper pharmaceuticals and generics. LegitScript will label any pharmacy that does not require a prescription as "rogue", no matter how high the quality that pharmacy.

    It is a bit of a mystery who is funding LegitScript, but you can guess it comes from pharmaceutical companies, who stand to lose a lot of money if patients can buy generic drugs at a fraction of their cost in North America and Europe.

    So if you see that LegitScript have criticized a pharmacy, this does not necessarily mean that that pharmacy is bad. More info on LegitScript:

    LegitScript – Not So Legit?
    Complaints about Legitscript

    I emailed LegitScript, explaining that chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) patients are often ignored by their doctors, as unfortunately many doctors still do not believe ME/CFS is real, and this often means that these doctors will not prescribe necessary drugs like antivirals to ME/CFS patients. Thus ME/CFS patients need to be able to buy such drugs online, without a prescription.

    I asked LegitScript in my email if they were acting in the best interests of sick patients. I got no reply from them. LegitScript's contact page is here. You may also want to email LegitScript, and ask them if they are operating in the best interests of patients.
     
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  3. Hip

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    Pharmacy Review Websites
    I think www.pharmacyreviewer.com are very good. They rate online pharmacies using feedback from people who buy from pharmacies. Pharmacy Reviewer maintain a list of top rated pharmacies, and also a blacklist of the pharmacies that should be avoided:

    Pharmacy Reviewer highest editor rating pharmacies (recommended):
    www.pharmacyreviewer.com/reviews/all-online-pharmacies/editor-rating

    Pharmacy Reviewer highest user review pharmacies:
    www.pharmacyreviewer.com/reviews/all-online-pharmacies

    Pharmacy Reviewer blacklisted pharmacies:
    www.pharmacyreviewer.com/reviews/blacklisted-pharmacies


    Another site that maintains a pharmacy blacklist is: ioplist.com.


    Pharmacy Reviewer offer some good general advice here on avoiding the pitfalls of online drug buying, and how to detect fake drugs.

    Interestingly, Pharmacy Reviewer say that many fake drugs often still contain the proper active ingredient in each pill; it is just that the fake drugs are not made by the manufacturer whose name is printed on the box.

    One very useful feature of Pharmacy Reviewer is the drug search box that allows you to search their listed pharmacies for a drug.

    In addition to www.pharmacyreviewer.com, other good pharmacy review sites include:

    www.rxlogs.net
    www.rxstars.net
    rxleaks.com
    rxreviews.org

    www.eroids.com << useful for checking body-building websites selling hormones and peptides


    You can enter a pharmacy web address in these review sites, and get a review of that pharmacy. These above review sites look reasonably genuine; I have seen some other pharmacy review sties that are essentially just biased advertising sites, but the above review sties look honest.

    Be aware though that all the above pharmacy review sites (except www.eroids.com) are making a some money by referring people to pharmacies (you can tell this because many of the recommended pharmacies in these review sites contain an affiliate ID in the pharmacy URL).

    Also be aware that several of the top pharmacies recommended by www.rxlogs.net and www.rxstars.net have fake certificates on their pharmacy home page, which is worrying. For example, their CIPA certificates are fake — a genuine CIPA certificate when clicked on will take you to that pharmacy's certificate on the CIPA website.

    However, I think these review sites are reasonably honest, because they also include pharmacies which do not have an affiliate program, and the review site cannot make money from such pharmacies.


    Note that the three websites www.rxlogs.net, www.rxstars.net and rxleaks.com appear to be run by the same person or organization.
     
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  4. heapsreal

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    For what its worth i have had good experience with 4rx.com , they basically sell generic meds quite cheaply, no prescription required but i keep one on hand just in case i need one for customs reason and so far this hasnt been a problem for me in australia. Antivirals have been well priced and appear the real deal as proof of my improvement in symptoms and lymphocyte tests while on famvir. Other meds i have used from them definately work ie baclofen, mirtazapine, wellbutrin, doxycycline, valtrex, metfromin i have used in the past. They seem to rate high on the pharmacy reviewer. I also ordered through another site that was listed as good to go by another pharmacy tracker site and had problems ordering but have heard from others how good they were. Some can have bad experiences just like working into any store i suppose, but if anyone has proof of a site selling shonky medicine, let us all know. Ordering stuff ups etc are very different to fake meds though.

    cheers!!!
     
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    Cool - that's exactly the sort of info that we need to accumulate here: an endorsement from the good people on this forum that have used an online pharmacy many times, and can say that the goods have always been delivered, that the drugs seem to work, and that there was no funny business done with your credit card details, or personal contact details.
     
  6. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    i do get some spam though, but they just go straight to my junk folder. I have also order from these 2 guys a couple of times with no dramas, they also have HIV meds for those interested but not sure if well priced, http://www.magicpharma.com/ http://www.emedoutlet.com/ , all i can say is erectile problems must be common going by alot of the advertisement, maybe its alot less embarrassing ordering this way then from your local doc and pharmacy. But i rate 4rx as my best, the others i think i ordered stuff from them i couldnt get from 4rx. Also a hint, i think the dodgy pharmacy's are usually pushing narcotics and benzo's so i would be careful of those places and if ordering from them make sure u have a script incase customs catch ya.

    cheers!!!
     
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    Wow, I am very impressed with Magic Pharma's comprehensive range of useful pharmaceuticals. A lot of the other online pharmacies I have seen don't have even half of the pharmaceuticals Magic Pharma offer. A Google search found some very good customer reviews for them too (see here), in addition to your positive experiences with them, heapsreal.

    EDIT: Magic Pharma are no longer in business.
     
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    I might add that I have also used Inhouse Pharmacy a number of times and also goldpharma.com, everything has always arrived eventually and has appeared to be what it should be, though obviously I have way to tell for certain the quality of the items.
     
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    This is a great idea. I order drugs through Magic Pharma as above and they have been great.

    On one attempt not all the drugs arrived but I emailed them and another pack turned up. Magic Pharma do have long periods of time when they will not accept new orders so I plan ahead. When I have ordered through Magic Pharma all the drugs sent have been correct doses and manufacturers.

    Have used 4RX.com only once and it was bad. They listed Cipla as the supplier for Valrex. Sadly when the drugs arrived they were not Cipla.

    Goldpharma has been good each time.
     
  10. heapsreal

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    interesting, a different reviewer last year had it up the top. I think its a bit of a gamble and word of mouth thing to find a good online pharmacy. I havent had a problem with them but will look through the other pharmacies in the reviews, if theres a bargain im all for it.

    cheers!!!
     
  11. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    most mainly seem to be reviewing viagra type products, im mainly interested in the antivirals which i have found 4rx to be well priced, but magicpharma seems to have the best priced famvir i have seen, plus i have used them for other things with no problems. I think it comes down to what your looking for, some sites are better then others for certain meds but not others. Those first 2 sites one doesnt sell antivirals and the other a very overpriced antivirals and no famvir. If theres cheap valcyte out there, now that would be good to know.

    cheers!!!
     
  12. Hip

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    I was just going to buy something from www.4rx.com, and did my usual precautionary Google search, and found this site that said:

    "do not order accutane from 4rx.com its fake. i know this because i was taking 40mg per day of real accutane from the hospital for 6 weeks and my lips etc were dried right up. i orderd refils from 4rx and took them for a week. my skin went totally back to normal and as this is the seconds time taking accutane i knew this was the same thing that happens when coming off accutane. therfore i know that the tablets from 4rx are FAKE. spread it around as much as you can, they shouldnt get away with this."
     
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  13. heapsreal

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    fair enough, the famvir i take has lowered my lymphocytes just like the overpriced stuff i can buy locally and when i dropped using it, my lymphocytes went high.

    Is the accutane your experience or someone on the review site. I wonder how accurate the review sites are, could be an easy way to wipe out your competition. I noticed those first few company's in that review seem to be the same company, the ones with the best reviews, there home pages were slightly different but sold same products, pricing etc.

    I will try and find a pharmacy reviewer i used awhile back that gave info on the actual companies of when they first started etc. one thing i have noticed is there is always going to be some bad reviews and u have just picked one out, what about the good reviews and other customers that were happy with their products. I have ordered a number of different things from 4rx and the same things from local pharmacies and cant tell the difference.

    All i can say is my experience has been good, meds have worked and well priced, no problems with credit cards etc and have always recieved the right order. Maybe need to talk to more people from here(neutral place) who have used them. I think the pharmacy reviews can be just a sus as some online pharmacy's, the bad reviews could be their competition too, but just my opinion, but everyone has to do their own research.

    cheers!!!
     
  14. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    heres another pharmacy reviewer that rates 4rx a 4.7 out of 5, dont ask me how the rating system works, theres some bad reviews but most a quite good. The rating here look abit different again to the other reviewer.

    heres a copy of a positive review.

    Top Notch - I got my medications and it works
    Overall rating: 4.8
    Product quality (weighting = 40%): 5.0
    Ease of website use and range (weighting = 5%): 4.5
    Price (weighting = 30%): 5.0
    Customer service (weighting = 10%. Optional): 5.0
    Speed of delivery (weighting = 15%): 4.0

    Was this review helpful to you?

    Reviewed by Solomon Haeirs
    January 07, 2011

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    0 of 1 people found the following review helpful
    The best thing about 4rx is that I could place the order online without a prescription.I was assured that i will get the cheapest price and good quality medication.This turned out to be true.No hassles at all.

    Thye assured me that If I am not satisfied with the medication they have the best guarantee policy.Loks like i will not need it at all since it works fine on me.

    I was surprised when i was told that i can request for the medication from a preferred manufacturer also. Thye have a good a customer support center. Always available and courteous.I am happy as of now.

    However i think they need to change into overnite shipping method where I can receive it by 2-3 days.

    On the hind side they accept only VISA.They have to accept the master cards also.This can be a hassle for them in getting more customers.I was told i can use a VISA gift card though.Good luck 4RX!

    Where do u go from here?
    It wouldnt suprise me if the reviewers are the ones that own the pharmacys and give negative feedback for their competition. Maybe we need to look harder for a more neutral reviewer???
     
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    Could we not have a separate sub-section in this forum for us to post our experiences of dealing with online pharmacies? The moderators could allocate one thread for each pharmacy and then we'd have all the relevant information in one place.

    Of course it would still be possible for pharmacy stooges to register on this site and post glowing reviews of their company. However, they'd have to work significantly harder to deceive us because people who only posted in the reviews section and didn't participate in any other threads would tend to lack credibility.
     
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    Looks like I was forced to go this online pharmacy route. Savings was about 95%, so just doesn't make sense any other way. $1300 Costco, Vs $65 online for name brand or generic drugs (including shipping).

    What I learned. Canadian Pharmacies supposed to have really good regulations, on par with the USA. (can't remember where I got that "on par" part :ill:, but that is my impression )

    There are two major agencies that regulate these Canadian pharmacies.

    CIPA
    Cipa lists requirements for maintaining the certification on their site.


    IPA BC (International Pharmacy Association of British Columbia)

    The IPA BC insures there are real people, and seems like a real pharmacy and not some call center in Panama.

    These places are so dang busy, it is hard to get stuff done very fast, That is the main problem with these international pharmacies.

    I think the CIPA is kind of a micky mouse credential. They aren't required to have pharmacists in house. The place I called had a call center in panama. The drugs were shipped from a shipping center that nobody is checking on or knows anything about. The whole thing is fast and loose. I think most of these online operations are getting the drugs from the same manufacturers, but a pharmacists but there are have no people checking on anybody. No accountability by the online middleman whatsoever with just the CIPA credential.

    On the other hand, The IPA BC credential seems more legit. They have actual pharmacists and real people and are not a call center like some of them. Also the IPA BC puts the reputation of the pharmacist on the line. It's more like a real business and has accountability

    The third option is for to go directly to the Indian pharmacies and get faster service without even having a prescription. These Indian pharmacies seemed more like middlemen type call centers without any experts and simply ship the manufacturers product.

    The lead time is long. It takes 5 days just to ship the medication. Then it can take from 10 to 25 business days on top of that. I'm expecting a month total delay for delivery.
     
  17. heapsreal

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    I think one of the best ways to find out about good pharmacy's is their personal experiences. Most drugs online or not especially generics are made in India, cipla is an Indian company with a good reputation.

    cheers!!
     
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    Hey heaps!

    Haven't got the meds yet, but will let you know how it goes. I read reviews, and I think I found a couple who can get it delivered. I think they generally all are doing the same thing, and ordering from the same manufacturers. It's just a matter of service I think.

    I'm acutally placing two orders. The generic is coming from Cipla, other one is coming from Turkish company called Biopharma.
     
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    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    wow, some well priced things there
     

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