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Tips for Finding Reliable and Trustworthy Online Pharmacies

Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by Hip, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    As most people here know, it is difficult, expensive and tiring to find a doctor that believes CFS is real, and is willing to prescribe (often experimentally and off-label) safe drugs that have been shown to help CFS.

    So lots of people with CFS, myself included, turn to online overseas pharmacies in order to obtain prescription drugs without having a prescription.

    As I understand it, the laws in most countries allows 3 months worth of prescription drugs for personal use to be imported from overseas (but these drugs cannot be obtained from the same country that you are in; and these drugs cannot be controlled substances). Here is some info on this 3-month (90 day) regulation, for those who are interested in the legal aspects:

    Buying Prescription Drugs Online and from Overseas
    Is it Legal to Import Prescription Drugs into the US
    How to buy unlimited PRESCRIPTION drugs
    Buying Prescription Drugs From Canada: Legal or Illegal?
    Prescription Drugs From Mexico


    However, the major concern with buying drugs from these online overseas pharmacies is whether the pharmacy is trustworthy and reliable. Obviously we want a pharmacy that:

    (1) Supplies genuine drugs, not fake drugs (although I understand that fake drugs generally do often contain the same active ingredient as legitimate drugs).

    (2) Reliably mails the drugs to you, so that your drugs arrive.

    (3) Does not use your credit card details fraudulently, and does not pass on your personal details to spammers.


    I personally have used the following online overseas pharmacies, and have found them trustworthy and reliable (I have used them on many occasions in the past, and there have been no problems at all):

    GoldPharma goldpharma.com
    Inhouse Pharmacy www.inhousepharmacy-europe.com

    However, there are probably quite a few other trustworthy and reliable pharmacies. It would be good to hear other people's experiences and recommendations with online overseas pharmacies.


    Here Are My Tips On How to Check That an Online Overseas Pharmacy is Reliable:

    The first thing I do is a Google search on the pharmacy's web address, where you include the search terms: scam, fake, counterfeit, fraud, hoax, forgery, in a Boolean search. (You can use OR or the pipe symbol | to perform a Boolean saerch).

    So for example, take Inhouse Pharmacy as our pharmacy to check, then the Boolean Google search would be as per the following:

    www.inhousepharmacy-europe.com scam | fake | counterfeit | fraud | hoax | forgery

    Very quickly from the Google search results, you can see if anyone has written any bad comments on that particular pharmacy. You will notice that no bad remarks have been made about Inhouse Pharmacy.

    So if you want to check out your own pharmacy using this same Google search, just insert your own pharmacy's web address in the above search.

    Another useful tip is to put the pharmacy's URL into a Webutation search. If you get a figure of less than say 60% when you look up your pharmacy on Webutation, perhaps that pharmacy is not so good.

    You can also check the pharmacy using a ScamAdviser search. In this case, anything less than say 30% is not so good.

    Checking your pharmacy on the ScamVoid website is also useful in determining if it has a good or bad reputation.

    If you check out the pharmacies I recommended above using Webutation, ScamAdviser and ScamVoid, you find that they get good reputation scores, as you can see in the table below:

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    Pharmacy ............ Webutation .... ScamAdviser.... ScamVoid

    GoldPharma........... 100% .......... 41% ........... All green
    Inhouse Pharmacy .... 90% ........... 100% .......... All green
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    Note: do not trust the Web of Trust (WOT) website reputation checker; WOT has partnered with the an organization called LegitScript, who are acting to solely maintain pharmaceutical industry profits, and which I severity criticize below.



    Many ME/CFS Patients May Need to Buy Their Own Drugs Because:

    (1) They are housebound, and cannot easily get to a doctor.

    (2) Convenience: an ME/CFS patient may not quite be housebound, but due to mental frailty, they may find meetings with doctors very hard work and exhausting, especially as many doctors can be dismissive, and even scathing, of ME/CFS. I personally found it hard to be with authority figures such as doctors when I was very ill with ME/CFS and anxiety disorder; I found it unpleasant to interact doctors, even though my doctor is a reasonably nice guy.

    (3) ME/CFS patients may have difficulties in persuading their doctor to prescribe drugs to use off-label for ME/CFS. Furthermore, doctors may not have the freedom to prescribe drugs off-label, or not have the freedom to prescribe drugs experimentally, if they are guided by evidence-based medicine, or by insurance rules, or socialized medicine rules.

    (4) Doctors may know very little about ME/CFS, so they would not know why a particular drug might be beneficial for ME/CFS. In many cases, patients are more knowledgable about ME/CFS than their doctor.

    (5) Doctors may erroneously believe ME/CFS is a psychosomatic disease, and so will not agree to prescribe antivirals, etc.

    (6) Lower costs: you can import generic versions of drugs from countries like India where the drugs are manufactured more cheaply. And as you say, for those without medical insurance in the US, it's certainly going to be cheaper to buy generic drugs online from overseas, rather than pay for a doctor's appointment, and then pay for the drugs in a US pharmacy.

    If you buy the drugs yourself, it is a very good idea to use a drug interactions checker to ensure there are no adverse interactions between the various drugs you are taking.



    An Organization Called LegitScript Wants to Block Your Access to Pharmaceuticals

    John Horton started an organization called LegitScript which is closing down online pharmacies that sell drugs without prescription, or forcing them to ask clients for prescriptions.

    Horton set up LegitScript, no doubt with money from pharmaceutical companies, to stop people getting access to cheaper pharmaceuticals and generics. LegitScript will label any pharmacy that does not require a prescription as "rogue", no matter how high the quality that pharmacy.

    So if you see that LegitScript have criticized a pharmacy, this does not necessarily mean that that pharmacy is bad. More info on LegitScript:

    LegitScript – Not So Legit?

    Complaints about Legitscript

    I emailed LegitScript , explaining that chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) patients are often ignored by their doctors, as unfortunately many doctors still do not believe ME/CFS is real, and this often means that these doctors will not prescribe the necessary drugs like antivirals to ME/CFS patients. Thus ME/CFS patients need to be able to buy such drugs online, even without a prescription.

    I asked LegitScript in my email if they were acting in the best interests of sick patients. I got no reply from them.

    LegitScript's contact page is HERE.

    You may also want to email LegitScript, and ask them if they are operating in the best interests of patients.
     
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  3. Hip

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    Pharmacy Reviewer

    Pharmacy Reviewer looks good: they rate online pharmacies using feedback from users: people who buy from pharmacies rate their experience — a bit like the eBay buyer rating system. As you can see, www.pharmacyreviewer.com maintain list of top rated pharmacies, and a blacklist of the pharmacies that should be avoided:

    Pharmacy Reviewer Top Rated Pharmacies:
    www.pharmacyreviewer.com/reviews/top-rated-pharmacies

    Pharmacy Reviewer Blacklisted Pharmacies:
    www.pharmacyreviewer.com/reviews/blacklisted-pharmacies

    These blacklisted pharmacies will do things such as:
    • Taking your money but not delivering the order
    • Supplying you with fake drugs
    • Using your credit card details fraudulently

    Here is the list of blacklisted pharmacies:
    Another site that maintains a pharmacy blacklist is: ioplist.com.


    Pharmacy Reviewer have some good general advice on avoiding the pitfalls of online drug buying:

    www.pharmacyreviewer.com/faqs/faqs

    Interestingly, Pharmacy Reviewer say that many fake drugs often still contain the proper active ingredient in each pill; it is just that the fake drugs are not made by the manufacturer whose name is printed on the box. A bit like fake copies of designer clothes, I guess.

    One very useful feature on the www.pharmacyreviewer.com site is the drug search box that allows you to search all their listed pharmacies to see which sell the drug you want to buy.



    Other good pharmacy review sites include:

    www.rxlogs.net
    www.rxstars.net
    www.pharmaciesreview.com

    You can enter a pharmacy web address in these review sites, and get a review of that pharmacy.
     
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    Pharmacy Reviewer: an example

    OK, let see how accurate Pharmacy Reviewer is using a specific example. I did some Google searching for someone else on this forum recently, regarding the online pharmacy www.bmpharmacy.com.

    This again was just a simple Google search:

    www.bmpharmacy.com scam | fake | counterfeit | fraud | hoax | forgery

    Reading through the above Google search results, you can quickly see that BM Pharmacy has a habit of fraudulently using your credit card details, and divulging your telephone number to others. See the reports on these three webpages, found from the above Google search: 1 2 3.

    So from this Google search, it seems BM Pharmacy may be a cause for concern (although some of these reports date back several years, and so they may not reflect the current situation with this pharmacy).

    Now, for comparison, let's look at what Pharmacy Reviewer say about BM Pharmacy:

    Pharmacy Reviewer's review of BM Pharmacy said the following:

    "Very cheap store with a good range of non-controlled medicines. They now have authenticated secure site status from McAfee Inc."
    However, many users posting comments on this BM Pharmacy review page on the Pharmacy Reviewer website said that they had fraudulent transactions on their credit cards after using BM Pharmacy. So in this case, the Pharmacy Reviewer website does seem to alert you to the problems with this pharmacy.


    It is instructive to see what Webutations and Scamvoid make of BM Pharmacy:

    Webutations gives BM Pharmacy a low 40 out of 100.
    Scamvoid says BM Pharmacy is of poor trustworthiness, and poor vendor reliability.

    So BM Pharmacy has not got good marks from the Webutations and Scamvoid websites.

    So in this case, the results from Webutations and Scamvoid tally up with the generally not so good reviews that were found for BM Pharmacy through the above Google search, and the not so good reviews given by the users commenting on Pharmacy Reviewer.

    So while BM Pharmacy is still Pharmacy Reviewer's Top Rated Pharmacies list, there does seem to be some cause for concern regarding credit card fraud.
     
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    For what its worth i have had good experience with 4rx.com , they basically sell generic meds quite cheaply, no prescription required but i keep one on hand just in case i need one for customs reason and so far this hasnt been a problem for me in australia. Antivirals have been well priced and appear the real deal as proof of my improvement in symptoms and lymphocyte tests while on famvir. Other meds i have used from them definately work ie baclofen, mirtazapine, wellbutrin, doxycycline, valtrex, metfromin i have used in the past. They seem to rate high on the pharmacy reviewer. I also ordered through another site that was listed as good to go by another pharmacy tracker site and had problems ordering but have heard from others how good they were. Some can have bad experiences just like working into any store i suppose, but if anyone has proof of a site selling shonky medicine, let us all know. Ordering stuff ups etc are very different to fake meds though.

    cheers!!!
     
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    Cool - that's exactly the sort of info that we need to accumulate here: an endorsement from the good people on this forum that have used an online pharmacy many times, and can say that the goods have always been delivered, that the drugs seem to work, and that there was no funny business done with your credit card details, or personal contact details.
     
  7. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    i do get some spam though, but they just go straight to my junk folder. I have also order from these 2 guys a couple of times with no dramas, they also have HIV meds for those interested but not sure if well priced, http://www.magicpharma.com/ http://www.emedoutlet.com/ , all i can say is erectile problems must be common going by alot of the advertisement, maybe its alot less embarrassing ordering this way then from your local doc and pharmacy. But i rate 4rx as my best, the others i think i ordered stuff from them i couldnt get from 4rx. Also a hint, i think the dodgy pharmacy's are usually pushing narcotics and benzo's so i would be careful of those places and if ordering from them make sure u have a script incase customs catch ya.

    cheers!!!
     
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    Wow, I am very impressed with Magic Pharma's comprehensive range of useful pharmaceuticals. A lot of the other online pharmacies I have seen don't have even half of the pharmaceuticals Magic Pharma offer. A Google search found some very good customer reviews for them too (see here), in addition to your positive experiences with them, heapsreal.



    If anyone else has knows any other high quality online pharmacy resources like these, please post here.
     
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    I might add that I have also used Inhouse Pharmacy a number of times and also goldpharma.com, everything has always arrived eventually and has appeared to be what it should be, though obviously I have way to tell for certain the quality of the items.
     
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    This is a great idea. I order drugs through Magic Pharma as above and they have been great.

    On one attempt not all the drugs arrived but I emailed them and another pack turned up. Magic Pharma do have long periods of time when they will not accept new orders so I plan ahead. When I have ordered through Magic Pharma all the drugs sent have been correct doses and manufacturers.

    Have used 4RX.com only once and it was bad. They listed Cipla as the supplier for Valrex. Sadly when the drugs arrived they were not Cipla.

    Goldpharma has been good each time.
     
  11. heapsreal

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    interesting, a different reviewer last year had it up the top. I think its a bit of a gamble and word of mouth thing to find a good online pharmacy. I havent had a problem with them but will look through the other pharmacies in the reviews, if theres a bargain im all for it.

    cheers!!!
     
  12. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    most mainly seem to be reviewing viagra type products, im mainly interested in the antivirals which i have found 4rx to be well priced, but magicpharma seems to have the best priced famvir i have seen, plus i have used them for other things with no problems. I think it comes down to what your looking for, some sites are better then others for certain meds but not others. Those first 2 sites one doesnt sell antivirals and the other a very overpriced antivirals and no famvir. If theres cheap valcyte out there, now that would be good to know.

    cheers!!!
     
  13. Hip

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    I was just going to buy something from www.4rx.com, and did my usual precautionary Google search, and found this site that said:

    "do not order accutane from 4rx.com its fake. i know this because i was taking 40mg per day of real accutane from the hospital for 6 weeks and my lips etc were dried right up. i orderd refils from 4rx and took them for a week. my skin went totally back to normal and as this is the seconds time taking accutane i knew this was the same thing that happens when coming off accutane. therfore i know that the tablets from 4rx are FAKE. spread it around as much as you can, they shouldnt get away with this."

    See also this complaint site.
     
  14. heapsreal

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    fair enough, the famvir i take has lowered my lymphocytes just like the overpriced stuff i can buy locally and when i dropped using it, my lymphocytes went high.

    Is the accutane your experience or someone on the review site. I wonder how accurate the review sites are, could be an easy way to wipe out your competition. I noticed those first few company's in that review seem to be the same company, the ones with the best reviews, there home pages were slightly different but sold same products, pricing etc.

    I will try and find a pharmacy reviewer i used awhile back that gave info on the actual companies of when they first started etc. one thing i have noticed is there is always going to be some bad reviews and u have just picked one out, what about the good reviews and other customers that were happy with their products. I have ordered a number of different things from 4rx and the same things from local pharmacies and cant tell the difference.

    All i can say is my experience has been good, meds have worked and well priced, no problems with credit cards etc and have always recieved the right order. Maybe need to talk to more people from here(neutral place) who have used them. I think the pharmacy reviews can be just a sus as some online pharmacy's, the bad reviews could be their competition too, but just my opinion, but everyone has to do their own research.

    cheers!!!
     
  15. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    heres another pharmacy reviewer that rates 4rx a 4.7 out of 5, dont ask me how the rating system works, theres some bad reviews but most a quite good. The rating here look abit different again to the other reviewer.

    heres a copy of a positive review.

    Top Notch - I got my medications and it works
    Overall rating: 4.8
    Product quality (weighting = 40%): 5.0
    Ease of website use and range (weighting = 5%): 4.5
    Price (weighting = 30%): 5.0
    Customer service (weighting = 10%. Optional): 5.0
    Speed of delivery (weighting = 15%): 4.0

    Was this review helpful to you?

    Reviewed by Solomon Haeirs
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    0 of 1 people found the following review helpful
    The best thing about 4rx is that I could place the order online without a prescription.I was assured that i will get the cheapest price and good quality medication.This turned out to be true.No hassles at all.

    Thye assured me that If I am not satisfied with the medication they have the best guarantee policy.Loks like i will not need it at all since it works fine on me.

    I was surprised when i was told that i can request for the medication from a preferred manufacturer also. Thye have a good a customer support center. Always available and courteous.I am happy as of now.

    However i think they need to change into overnite shipping method where I can receive it by 2-3 days.

    On the hind side they accept only VISA.They have to accept the master cards also.This can be a hassle for them in getting more customers.I was told i can use a VISA gift card though.Good luck 4RX!

    Where do u go from here?
    It wouldnt suprise me if the reviewers are the ones that own the pharmacys and give negative feedback for their competition. Maybe we need to look harder for a more neutral reviewer???
     
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    Could we not have a separate sub-section in this forum for us to post our experiences of dealing with online pharmacies? The moderators could allocate one thread for each pharmacy and then we'd have all the relevant information in one place.

    Of course it would still be possible for pharmacy stooges to register on this site and post glowing reviews of their company. However, they'd have to work significantly harder to deceive us because people who only posted in the reviews section and didn't participate in any other threads would tend to lack credibility.
     
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    Looks like I was forced to go this online pharmacy route. Savings was about 95%, so just doesn't make sense any other way. $1300 Costco, Vs $65 online for name brand or generic drugs (including shipping).

    What I learned. Canadian Pharmacies supposed to have really good regulations, on par with the USA. (can't remember where I got that "on par" part :ill:, but that is my impression )

    There are two major agencies that regulate these Canadian pharmacies.

    CIPA
    Cipa lists requirements for maintaining the certification on their site.


    IPA BC (International Pharmacy Association of British Columbia)

    The IPA BC insures there are real people, and seems like a real pharmacy and not some call center in Panama.

    These places are so dang busy, it is hard to get stuff done very fast, That is the main problem with these international pharmacies.

    I think the CIPA is kind of a micky mouse credential. They aren't required to have pharmacists in house. The place I called had a call center in panama. The drugs were shipped from a shipping center that nobody is checking on or knows anything about. The whole thing is fast and loose. I think most of these online operations are getting the drugs from the same manufacturers, but a pharmacists but there are have no people checking on anybody. No accountability by the online middleman whatsoever with just the CIPA credential.

    On the other hand, The IPA BC credential seems more legit. They have actual pharmacists and real people and are not a call center like some of them. Also the IPA BC puts the reputation of the pharmacist on the line. It's more like a real business and has accountability

    The third option is for to go directly to the Indian pharmacies and get faster service without even having a prescription. These Indian pharmacies seemed more like middlemen type call centers without any experts and simply ship the manufacturers product.

    The lead time is long. It takes 5 days just to ship the medication. Then it can take from 10 to 25 business days on top of that. I'm expecting a month total delay for delivery.
     
  18. heapsreal

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    I think one of the best ways to find out about good pharmacy's is their personal experiences. Most drugs online or not especially generics are made in India, cipla is an Indian company with a good reputation.

    cheers!!
     
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    Hey heaps!

    Haven't got the meds yet, but will let you know how it goes. I read reviews, and I think I found a couple who can get it delivered. I think they generally all are doing the same thing, and ordering from the same manufacturers. It's just a matter of service I think.

    I'm acutally placing two orders. The generic is coming from Cipla, other one is coming from Turkish company called Biopharma.
     
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