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The Undetectable Infection

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by Elph68, Nov 30, 2013.

  1. Elph68

    Elph68 Senior Member

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    Just as a side note, I have a feeling that breast milk is a better option than FMT ....

    Research also says that fucose supplements promote the growth of e-coli and prevents the adhesion of pathogens such as enterococcus to epithelial cells ....

    Eat some seaweed or shiitake mushrooms ....
  2. Wayne

    Wayne Senior Member

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    Hi @Elph68,

    Just a quick mention: I've dealt with a lot of gut issues for many years. Because of chronic residual pain in my gut, I've always assumed part of the reason for this pain was because of some kind of infection going on.

    I started taking Liposomal Vitamin C (homemade) a few months ago (primarily to address Lyme infection), gradually increasing my dosage to a current 15g/day. During this time, the pain in my GI tract has mostly cleared up. I've assumed the anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal properties of Vit. C is responsible for my improvements.
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    Elph68 Senior Member

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    Hi Wayne,

    That fits in with what I am proposing .... Vit C is a bacteria killer .....

    Cheers.
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    Elph68 Senior Member

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    After a month of xylitol and a little oregano oil up my nose, this horrendous and debilitating muscle pain (Cramps) in my right arm, chest and shoulder has almost completely gone. The physio is amazed. He said he has never seen anybody go from severe cramping and muscles that were as hard as a rock, to almost normal in the space of a week.

    I suspect that the pain location may have a little to do with the bacterial location as this is the point where the bacterial toxins enter the body.

    Just further evidence for the bacterial argument.

    Cheers.
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    Elph68 Senior Member

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    I haven't been asleep, but sometimes I wish I could. I thought I had better stir things up again ..... I have attached 3 pictures which specifically relate to how these bacteria are acting in our bodies to cause disease. With particular emphasis on viridans streptococcus. I believe that because I got onto it early enough, I am holding it at bay .... for the time being. Like many of you I have burning mouth and tongue and I have this 'diagnosis' of geographic tongue, so I was told to stop eating tomatoes and stop drinking tea as siciliates is the cause of this .... apparently.

    I have mentioned this before, and I have a video of the whole process if anybody is interested, but what I have done is applied 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide to my tongue. All around the red patch it burns, and has gone white and frothy .... That is what it is supposed to do because that is catalase activity, the hydrogen peroxide being broken up into oxygen and water. The red patch did not change, it was already burning, but the hydrogen peroxide had no effect on that red patch. This means that the most likely cause of this is the red patch is inhabited by bacteria that produce hydrogen peroxide. Species such as streptococcus/enterococcus, lactobacillus, lactococcus etc. Most likely however it is viridans streptococcus/enterococcus species. These species produce hydrogen sulfide and lactic acid in the presence of glucose (and other simple sugars). Both these chemicals kill the immune system (macrophages and leukocytes) and cause widespread systemic damage, damage to internal organs particularly the liver and kidneys and the CNS and blocks the body's ability to convert fuel to energy.

    There are 4 risk factors I have been able to put my finger on .... 1. female (vagina), 2. abx usage, 3. type 2 diabetes or pre diabetic, 4. High sugar intake (eg. sports drinks, pasta etc.).

    I have found something very interesting about the female cycle in particularly sugar levels in the vagina. I know there are some ladies that have suffered from vaginitis for some time (including my wife). I shall now explain what I believe is why.

    During the menstrual cycle the vagina excretes mucus which changes in consistency depending on what hormonal changes are taking place. The mucus sugar levels change from minimal preovulatory, to significant at premenstrual. So if a vagina is inhabited with hydrogen sulfide strains of bacteria, during these high sugar times they are going to poison the vagina with these toxins, and also produce biofilms which makes them highly contagious and therefore transferable to other parts of the body, especially the gut ..... In this form (hyped up on sugar), it seems they are unstoppable .... When they are transferred out of the vagina and back into the mouth in this form .... they take over the mouth. They become a superbug (mixed species) and the amount of hydrogen peroxide they produce overpowers everything in their path, thus causing these red burning patches you can see on my tongue. The same process happens when we take abx, as these strains are already resistant to all the common oral ones the doc will prescribe and are able to take over when other species are killed off.

    If these species have taken over completely, then that is a real big problem ..... I am not going to post what I have found, inbox me if you are really curious.

    Some people are de-sensitized to the effects of hydrogen sulfide so they don't have any pain, or they have a higher pain threshold. For me, every single part of my body's mucus membranes burn. Eyes, nose, mouth, throat, genitals, prostate but since oral vancomycin, my gut is pretty good as long as I keep my diet sugar free. If you are one of the unlucky ones that is de-sensitized to the pain effects of the bacteria toxins, everything is pretty much internal so it is harder to pinpoint and doctors make mis-diagnosis.

    Once the immune system is under stress from this condition, other viruses etc. are able to take hold and make our lives really nasty. Hydrogen peroxide kills macrophages and damages cellular DNA, hydrogen sulfide kills leukocytes, damages the liver, kidneys, CNS and effects the brain .... and both these chemicals/enzymes cause multi system dysfunction when in over supply and prevent the body from converting food to fuel. Then there is also the problems associated with lactic acid, particularly D-lactic acid.

    This is a broad overview of the undetectable infection ....

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