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The Undetectable Infection - Prostatitis and Vaginitis

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by Elph68, Aug 26, 2015.

  1. Elph68

    Elph68 Senior Member

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    Given the direction that the undetectable infection thread has gone, I thought I had better separate a part of the thread out and discuss the specifics in further depth.

    I have stated in the undetectable infection that I believe (and provided scientific papers) that can build an argument that the undetectable infection causes a chemical imbalance that results in multiple symptoms throughout the body. I would now like to try and explain, 'The Perfect Storm' which are the conditions that can be found in the female vagina and the male prostate.

    Through the desktop research I have conducted, personal experience and the personal experience of many people I have talked to, I am without a doubt 100% positive that the undetectable infection is the cause of non-bacterial prostatitis and vaginitis, in most cases when there is no detectable recognized pathogen.

    Through desktop research and some physical tests of sampling using readily available and common ingredients, I have been able to identify some 'toxins' that gram positive bacteria produce which are known causes of inflammation and can therefore explain the cause of the pain and discomfort that many of us suffer from.

    Species of Gram Positive bacteria produce:
    Lipoteichoic acid (LTA)
    Hydrogen Sulphide
    Extracellular Protease
    Hydrogen Peroxide
    Form biofilms in the presence of simple sugars (glucose, fructose)

    The interesting point is that gram positive bacteria can form biofilms of different species and the combination of all these toxins can have a disastrous effect. The example that is the most visible is tartar on teeth. These biofilms (tartar/plaque) cause tooth decay and gum disease (inflammation) and we remove them through regular brushing, What I personally can't understand is that if these bacteria form these conditions on teeth then how is it that the medical profession does not recognize that they do the same thing if they can take a hold in the sugar rich environments of the vagina and prostate?

    The prostate is full of sugar as part of the prostatic fluid, the cervix produces sugar between ovulation and menstruation, this creates a perfect storm for the formation of biofilms and the production of these toxins, resulting in prostatitis or vaginitis. Longer term, the damage caused to cellular DNA from the toxins of these bacteria I believe results in cancer (my opinion).

    Personally, I think if your doctor tells you to go home and change your soap, wear cotton nickers, have warm baths or see a psychologist, then I would consider finding a different doctor. Most of us act like sheep and get herded around from one specialist to the next with no answers or effective treatment and they use our money to buy their next Porsche .....

    Maybe by putting everything on this thread with regards to these conditions we can develop a strong argument to have a part of the undetectable infection recognized as a (possible) treatable medical condition that will bring us one step closer to recognition that the undetectable infection is at the very least a cause for a large subgroup of people with ME/CFS.

    Non-Bacterial Prostatitis and vaginitis are of bacterial origin and I believe can be cured.
     
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  2. Sea

    Sea Senior Member

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    What do you propose is the way forward @Elph68 ? I have a daughter with Vaginitis with no evidence of a bacterial infection. She was to have an inspection and possible biopsy under anaesthetic but the doctor backed off when touching the vaginal walls with an instrument resulted in severe bleeding. Doctors have given up on her. Since then she has developed gastritis, food intolerances and POTS.
     
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    Elph, is it possible the bacteria could infect other areas as well? I have a reoccuring infection in my umbilicus (naval) area, and while antibotics seem to "get rid of it," it always seems to come back, or is never fully eliminated.
     
  4. Elph68

    Elph68 Senior Member

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    Hi Sea,

    I am really sorry to hear that about your daughter. Analyzing how these bugs grow and spread it is highly likely that they have transferred from the vagina into the gut via the anus. When they have formed these biofilms and are hyped up on sugar they are able to move from the vagina to the gut and barge in.

    Therefore, it is likely a comprehensive stool sample test with bioscreen may identify what the offending bacteria could possibly be. BUT, it is highly likely that the medical people will have no idea which bacteria from the report is causing the problem. I do reckon that if the bug is in her stool, we may be able to figure it out.

    I will PM you Sea if you don't mind and we can then discuss this confidentially, because I will need to ask some questions.

    Cheers.
     
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    Elph68 Senior Member

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    Hi drob,

    absolutely .... bacteria inhabit every nook and cranny of our body .... And if they can't isolate a pathogen, then it can be something they class as 'normal flora' .....
     
  6. MNC

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    I have had ghost prostatitis and ghost sinusitis for more than 20 years. Never infection was found in any of them, but when it gets very bad, antibiotics is the only thing that helps, and very quickly, usually in a matter of hours I find relief in sinuses or prostate. But doctors say it's not infectious as per hundreds of tests, CAT scans, x-rays, coming negative.

    I am at this very moment trying a 15 day treatment of Clarithromycin 2 x 500mg x day as described in this study of chronic prostatitis. It helped the first day (I was feeling awful until I started it) but now after 5 days it's returned to the normal bad state of pain and inflammation but not so acute.

    I enclose the study attached.
     

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    Elph68 Senior Member

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    Hi MNC,

    I was on the same dose of clarithromycin for 6 months and I am now on a prophylactic dose of Azithromycin pretty much indefinitely (250mg 3x per week).

    It took about 6 weeks for the clarithromycin to have any real affect on me .... I only have very mild symptoms now ....
    15 days is nowhere near long enough, The abx can't break through the calcification to get to the bacteria in that time.

    Emptying the prostate every day will help to break down the calcification ...... I would empty my prostate then take the meds ....

    Cheers.
     
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    Strawberry Senior Member

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    @Elph68 Oh my gosh you mean this ALSO is not in my head??? You are welcome to PM me also if you feel you need. I have suffered for years with "nothing" on top of my being sick constantly.
     

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