Hi Cort, Perhaps some eyeopener's here. Memes carry verbal/cultural information. I was born in 1948 and raised in the 50s in a professional neiborhood in Cleveland Ohio. Let's look at the memes I was raised with and where they were from. My father was raised by his parents in Cleveland. They had come over from Russia in 1910 or 1911 at about the age of 11. They had been raised in rural Russia amid the pogroms. "You are very lucky this is only a belt instead of the razor strop my father had. (thank Gilette for safety razors). My mother raised in suburban Philadelphia in the 1920s by the same nanny who raised her mother who was Geman and trained in the same child rearing methods and school that Hitler's father raised him by, the latest methods in 1880s Germany. Some of the memes from my mother; while painfully scrubbing a face red and raw "This will teach you not to get your face dirty" to 2 year old. "If wishes were horses beggars would ride" when being told why we couldn't have something or something given to us by somebody else was being taken away. All sorts of things were done so as to hurt the child thereby teaching them lessons. Watch the movie MOMMIE DEAREST for the full exposition. In the 1980s when raising my own children my own struggle was to consciously raise my children and NOT pass on those same memes that readily and automatically came up situationally. The agricultural community that 90% of the people lived in before mechanized farming supplies the memes for most of America in which women and children are just another kind of livestock. In law, except where it may have been updated, the crime of rape was a property crime against a woman's husband. The initial penetration was the crime; totally irrelavant whether it continued on for hours at that point, was brutal or anything else. That didn't make it worse or anything. He was deprived of his property rights in the first second. That was all that counted in the law. I was renting a fishing boat one day to go fishing on a small lake in Ohio. There were two guys there with 5 children. They were arguing with the rental agent that they need not pay for lifejackets for the children despite the law requiring a lifejacket for each "person" on the boat because "theys not people". Also, they didn't want to pay for the size boat for 7 passengers again becasue the children didn't count as PERSONS.