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The man who quit $ to live in a cave

Discussion in 'Spirituality and ME/CFS' started by Seewell, May 9, 2013.

  1. Seewell

    Seewell Senior Member

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    An interview with a man who lives without $
    I dont think us with m.e cfs could survive living like this,i know i couldnt
    Not sure i would want to either





    "Meet Daniel Suelo. He's been living without money for 12 years. When our paths crossed synchronistically in Moab, I didn't want to miss the opportunity to learn from this wise man. I interviewed him and found his philosophy and way of living inspiring and visionary."

    'The Man Who Quit Money' is a soulful journey into the spirit of Daniel Suelo.'
    On a Spiritual Quest



    Only when the last tree has died,
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    the last river has been poisoned
    and the last fish has been caught,will we realize that we can't eat money.
    -- Cree Proverb
















     
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    madietodd Senior Member

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    I got this book from my library! Very interesting guy. His biggest problem was no health support; his teeth were in terrible shape and he couldn't find a dentist to swap with.
     
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    Seewell Senior Member

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    I could see his teeth were bad on the video :D
    I looked up the book after watch the vid,its got some great reviews.i was thinking of getting it,was it good ?
     
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    madietodd Senior Member

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    Yes, because the idea is so amazing.
     
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    Personally I wouldn't live too long being a caveman, but then again is that such a bad idea being stuck with this crap disease?
     
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    Andrew Senior Member

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    He has a problem with his teeth because he eats processed food that comes from monied people who can afford to get the dental work. If he lived off the land this problem might not exist.
     
  7. Seewell

    Seewell Senior Member

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    Thanks madietodd.:)
    I found him very thought provoking and inspiring.
    At least hes got good hair !
     
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    Seewell Senior Member

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    I thought that too.
    If he had a gun.Or even a bow and arrow.
    Or even a garden.
     
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    Seewell Senior Member

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    No maybe its not :(
     
  10. caledonia

    caledonia

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    I've heard of this guy. You have to be healthy to live like that, or else "survival of the fittest" will weed you out.

    If you're interested in this kind of stuff, check out the Simple Living Forum, Joe Dominguez' book "Your Money or Your Life", permaculture, etc.

    Check out this guy, who lives only from what he grows in his backyard:
     
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  11. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    I think there is archeological evidence for dental caries will into the past, when people did live off of the land. It may not have been as common then.
     
  12. Seewell

    Seewell Senior Member

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    This is what the guy above was saying.And is this a bad thing.
    It would help if you had some land first to live that way,but then you need money for the land.

    I will check out that vid.
    If i wasnt ill i would love to have a garden,and try to live off that.
    But i do love my meat ,my body needs it.Tryed living the vegetarian way.But felt awful
     
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    I've researched this a lot, and have actually started in a small way expanding my garden. This year I planted a couple of apple trees and blueberry bushes. Luckily, I had some help - it was way more work than I thought. Even with the help, I was pemmed for a couple of weeks. After that though, the work input is minimal.

    If your local zoning allows (or if you can get it changed), there are many small animals that can be used for meat/eggs/milk including pygmy goats, chickens, rabbits, and quail. They even have miniature cows now. Unfortunately, I'm not zoned for farm animals (even tiny ones).
     
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    The words to the song below(for anyone who's interested) are very much in line with "Cave man Daniel Suelos"
    thoughts ( https://sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmoney/ )...


    Im not sure i agree with the sentiment about GOD ?. But understand where hes coming from.
    I feel ashamed to be a white human being sometimes.

    Words by John Trudell
    CRAZY HORSE
    Crazy Horse
    We Hear what you say
    One earth one mother
    One does not sell the earth
    The people walk upon
    We are the land
    How do we sell our mother
    How do we sell the stars
    How do we sell the air
    Crazy Horse
    We hear what you say

    Too many people
    Standing their ground
    Standing the wrong ground
    Predators face he possessed a race
    Possession a war that doesn't end
    Children of god feed on children of earth
    Days people don't care for people
    These days are the hardest
    Material fields material harvest
    decoration on chains that binds
    Mirrors gold the people lose their minds
    Crazy Horse
    We Hear what you say
    One earth one mother
    One does not sell the earth
    The people walk upon
    We are the land
    Today is now and then
    Dream smokes touch the clouds
    On a day when death didn't die
    Real world time tricks shadows lie
    Red white perception deception
    Predator tries civilising us
    But the tribes will not go without return
    Genetic light from the other side
    A song from the heart our hearts to give
    The wild days the glory days live

    Crazy Horse
    We Hear what you say
    One earth one mother
    One does not sell the earth
    The people walk upon
    We are the land
    How do we sell our mother
    How do we sell the stars
    How do we sell the air

    Crazy Horse
    We hear what you say
    Crazy Horse
    We hear what you say
    We are the seventh generation
    We are the seventh generation
     
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  15. Seewell

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    That sounds great:)
    I can't do that right now.But would like to !
    I had to milk the goat when i was a kid.Used to give our dog a squirt of milk at the same time,she loved it.

    Not sure i could keep animals,and then have to get the axe out.
    But if i was doing it to survive maybe it would be a different story
     
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    Seewell Senior Member

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    :thumbsup:
     
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    Growing up in the mountains living (partially) off the land, I do have the know how to easily function completely off the grid. And, I do have access to the property. But this would only have been a pre me/cfs possibility due to now being unable to do the physical exertion required to hunt, fish, and garden, etc. I still remain prepared for the possibility of this becoming an unexpected necessity. Doubt I would go for it 100% even if not sick. But like before, I would be investing in developing the property as back up.
     
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    Great thread. Looking foward to watching the videos when I get a minute.

    Sounds so appealing not to be tied to earning money. Also sounds great to get out of the city life and to nature which is easier on the nervous system.

    Maybe one way to make it work might be have enough people to divide up the work?

    Somebody is sewing the hats/gloves from furs, and the next person is hunting or gathering wood. Taking turns driving the tractor of course. :DThere is just too much work if one is hunting and gardening etc.

    The key to making it a reality is figuring out a way to have some income. The Amish have a good program where they generate income by selling furniture and pickeld foods etc.

    Figuring out a source of limited income for a community is key. Unless everybody in the world suddenly decides we are going to do a crowd sourced model. :thumbsup:
     
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    I notice how housing costs are zero to minimal in both videos. 5 adults sharing a home while working the 1/10 acre is very efficient.

    I notice also that the cost of all those solar panels isn't mentioned. This reminds me of Mr. Money Mustache ["early retirement through badassity"] who saved like a maniac through his 20s, bought a small house for cash, invested the rest, and now lives very simply with his wife and young son with nobody having to work. http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/ Part of the trick is to have a high paying job in your 20s.
     
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    Seewell Senior Member

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    I all give you 5 chickens if you fix my roof :D
     

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