The Lancet (UK) editorial: "What's in a name? Systemic exertion intolerance disease"

[Roy S]

I've been watching Simon's tweets and waiting for the IOM pushback.
　
So Simon writes a gnomic tweet designed to get people to read the Lancet editorial; which states "Despite critical reception at the time of publication, the results of the PACE trial paved the way for this IOM report."
　
So they actually try to take credit and avoid blame. Amazing.

 

[Bob]

Oh OK; so I wonder which of the Lancet journals the PACE stuff was published in?

The original 2011 PACE trial paper was published in the main Lancet journal. The recent mediation analysis was published in the new Lancet Psychiatry journal.

 

[Sean]

Despite critical reception at the time of publication, the results of the PACE trial paved the way for this IOM report.

I guess you could argue that the PACE trial was so abysmal that it prompted the profession in other parts of the world to (finally) start doing something about it.

 

[Sean]

There's a psychological term for that, isn't there? Delusions of grandeur?

I believe the correct technical term is cowardice.

 

[Nielk]

Unbelievable spin - by Stonebird

 

[A.B.]

The IOM should be notified of this.

 

[Sean]

I reckon the PACE crowd are just trying to scam some royalties from the IOM.

 

[Snow Leopard]

I wonder how the PACE trial results paved the way for the IoM report?

Yes, the poor results and sloppy science in the PACE trial paved the way for a the IoM report.

Oh and speaking of quoting out of context: *cough*
"proving @ChelseaFC the best team ever #cfc"
https://twitter.com/WesselyS/status/565198378670501888

 

[deleder2k]

This all seems to be completely devoid of any intellectual content or even the expression of an interesting opinion. The author does not even seem to be able to make up his mind what he is wanting to say. The more I see of this stuff the less surprised I am that it gets 'negative lobbying'.

Have you considered writing a reply in an article?

 

[Gijs]

When the disease mechanism is known the quacks of the lancet (reviewers of the pace trial) will be known as clowns. In particular, White, Chalder and wessely. These pseudo scientists stems from the days when it was thought that the earth was flat.

 

[Jonathan Edwards]

Have you considered writing a reply in an article?

I have got involved, with some others, in trying to produce something a bit more intelligent than what is in the Lancet. I am stuck in a 'dough-proving' phase at the moment but hope to focus on baking next week. Producing something more intelligent is in one sense not too hard but in another sense quite challenging, as you can imagine. The hope is to cut a rapier response from the side rather than bludgeon from the front, so to speak. We have some good people on the team so I am hopeful, but it needs some thought.

 

[Denise]

I have got involved, with some others, in trying to produce something a bit more intelligent than what is in the Lancet. Producing something more intelligent is in one sense not too hard but in another sense quite challenging, as you can imagine. The hope is to cut a rapier response from the side rather than bludgeon from the front, so to speak. .

Go for it @Jonathan Edwards!

 

[Aurator]

Wessely: "a subtle, almost gnomic, editorial from @TheLancet on naming #cfs"
https://twitter.com/WesselyS/status/568735080769855488

Let's unpick the sophistry of his Tweet.
A synonym for "subtle": "cunning"
A synonym for "gnomic": "ambiguous"

 

[adreno]

Wessely must be shitting his pants by now.

 

[Jonathan Edwards]

Let's unpick the sophistry of his Tweet.
A synonym for "subtle": "cunning"
A synonym for "gnomic": "ambiguous"

My interpretation was 'What a lovely word game this is. Good thing the patients aren't human beings or we might have to respect their ''emotions'' and stop twittering for our own amusement.'

 

[snowathlete]

"Despite critical reception at the time of publication, the results of the PACE trial paved the way for this IOM report."

 

[wdb]

"Despite critical reception at the time of publication, the results of the PACE trial paved the way for this IOM report."

And they accuse us of having delusional beliefs.

 

[worldbackwards]

Unbelievable spin - by Stonebird

That's like something out of 'The Thick of It'. I really don't understand why anyone apart from The Lancet would do that.

As for the article, I think we have the undignified spectacle of someone wondering how to change horses in midstream whilst keeping them both upright.

 

[Nielk]

My interpretation was 'What a lovely word game this is. Good thing the patients aren't human beings or we might have to respect their ''emotions'' and stop twittering for our own amusement.'

I needed a good laugh!

 

[SilverbladeTE]

The Lancet is owned by Elsevier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier
oh and so guess what? the Lancer is really a mouth piece for the Corporate lobby