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The Fight is on...Imperial College XMRV Study

Discussion in 'XMRV Research and Replication Studies' started by George, Jan 5, 2010.

  1. Koan

    Koan Be the change.

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    OT George (of the four legs) makes me feel better (which is good because I feel gutted just now over this - it will pass) every time I check this thread. Thank you George! Good beast!
  2. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    I'm a bit surprised Wesseley's so publicly involved.

    I was expecting some results like this though. We'll just have to wait and see with the rest of the replications.

    edit: Bwah-ha-ha-ha!! The power is mine! I can edit whenever I want!!!
  3. Orla

    Orla Senior Member

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    The study is being published tomorrow.

    This comment:

    is an overstatement to say the least.
  4. George

    George Guest

    Wags Tail

    Woof! Woof! (grins and drools)
  5. Min

    Min Senior Member

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    Wessely strikes back.

    "Research" using the Oxford criteria to select patients is not research, it's smoke and mirrors.
  6. _Kim_

    _Kim_ Guest

    Elliot, I would be happy to change it for you. What would you like it to read?

    (And welcome to the forums!)

    ETA: Elliot, there are 2 more discussions about this that were started . I've decided to merge them all together so that no one gets confused.
  7. Carla-nl

    Carla-nl Veteran by now

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    Hi boys 'n gals,

    The dear CBT professor in The netherlands (Nijmegen) also stated back in October he would do his own research to xmrv and kinda also predicted it would be negative and how we should not get ahead of ourselves etc, because else patients would go to their doctors and say 'hey, i have a virus and i don't want cbt no more',while (yes in october 2009) according to the professor cbt was obviously the only proven therapy... yes, really.

    We have to wait for the proper studies to come out and indeed - be published in proper magazines. It's very unfortunate to see how eager the BBC was on this one!
    We can't get discouraged just based on this.

    Carla
  8. Nina

    Nina Senior Member

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    Edit: O.K. seems like someone fixed this :)
  9. bananaman

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    So much for Wessely saying that he's not involved in ME research any more!
  10. George

    George Guest

    Hey Elliot welcome to the boards, come on over to the "fight is on" and join in the debate.
  11. Elliot

    Elliot

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    Thankyou very much :) I've been a lurker since the xmrv discovery :p
    Erm whatever you would deem to be the best really, I'm a little zonked out at the moment so feel free to chose a more acceptable title if that's alright. :)
  12. Dr. Yes

    Dr. Yes Shame on You

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    Mr. Fry, Koan...

    I wouldn't get too downhearted about this, given the source... Though it certainly doesn't help from a PR perspective. That, I would guess, was the intent behind the early press release (they haven't published these findings yet, as far as I can tell from looking at the PloS Journal site). Wessely is no doubt delighted by the results. I suppose it is disquieting that he feels confident enough to be listed as a co-author in an early release. But given his history I would not be surprised if the cohort selection is far from what the WPI used... I assume any research he was involved in would use the Oxford criteria...

    I was unaware that Imperial College, let alone Wessely, was going to be involved in any replication studies. Anybody hear about this one beforehand? (Too fried to check the Replication Studies thread just now..)

    I do think some people have been putting a little too much hope in the XMRV thing (and believe me I understand why), but for the record we knew there would be some early studies that would find little or nothing (especially those that use the wrong criteria), so this was expected.
  13. garcia

    garcia Aristocrat Extraordinaire

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    Remember folks, this is what Wessely is seeking to preserve:

    [video=youtube;cDeu_OlMivU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDeu_OlMivU[/video]
  14. Elliot

    Elliot

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    Apologies for not seeing this thread! Got to love the brain fog.
    I thought the general idea for the replication was to use the fukuda/canadian criteria, it seems they have used the oxford criteria which is very broad and vague? Will read through the rest of the thread now, cheers for merging the two.
  15. _Kim_

    _Kim_ Guest

    There were 3 threads (not surprisingly) started on this news. I've merged them all into this one as this is where the discussion seemed to be happening. Carry on...
  16. Robin

    Robin Guest

    THis isn't like Elaine DeFreitas' research where there was only dissenting study and the door was closed.

    There are so many groups looking into this. If WPI was wrong about XRMV we need to know, definitely ! But one little study (done with who knows what criteria) is not enough evidence to draw any conclusions.

    If you're discouraged don't give up hope.
  17. George

    George Guest

    Gotta Laugh

    This is great I can hang out on the boards and watch T.V. too.

    Who brought PopCorn (wag, wag)

    Yeah, I can't wait to see how this was done. It doesn't look like they used a control group.
    I want the dern paper!!!!!!!!!!
  18. George

    George Guest

    Kim Rocks!
  19. Koan

    Koan Be the change.

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    Kim does, indeed, rock!

    Elliot, no worries, no matter what we do, Kim fixes things. If you get stressed, just gaze into George's eyes.

    DrYes, et al, ARGH!
  20. George

    George Guest

    No this wasn't in any of the lists of Known replication studies here or on other sites. I want to see the science.

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