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The faculty Lounge. The PACE study: Open access and conflicts of interest

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by BurnA, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. BurnA

    BurnA Senior Member

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    This is from Nov 11 but I can't find a thread on it, if there is one already just let me know.

    There is a comment from SW worth reading.
    This is what David Tuller had to say about it:

     
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  2. jodie100

    jodie100

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    Could somebody please point me to where SW's comment is as I haven't noticed it and would be interested in reading it ? Thanks
     
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    AndyPR Senior Member

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  4. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    "I think you will find it is , as they say, a bit more complicated than you think..."

    Of course. There's his Regius Professorship to consider for one thing.

    You can smell the fury coming off that comment.
     
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  5. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    For sure.

    He forgot to add "And if it isn't complicated I'll smother it in so much metaphysical bullshit you'll think it is. How d'you think we got the gig in the first place?"
     
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  6. BurnA

    BurnA Senior Member

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    Simon Wessely reminds me of some poor sucker who bought shares in a company only to see the value of them slowly but steadily evaporate.
    Rather than taking the losses this poor sucker now spends his time going from blog to blog trying to convince people that is is in fact a great company to own shares in, despite all the negative news.

    The beauty in this case is of course, that the more Simon comments the more it attracts attention and rebuttals making him appear a lot worse than if he said nothing at all. Keep it up Simon !
     
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  7. trishrhymes

    trishrhymes Senior Member

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    I wish you were right, BurnA, but himself has just recently been awarded a Regius professorship, so the truth isn't getting through to power. I suspect he rather enjoys his little spats on-line. None of his bosses will see them, and it makes him feel superior while at the same time bolstering his inner victim narrative that we are all loonies out to get him.

    And if you're reading this Sir S W. Grow up. You have ruined an awful lot of lives. As Harry Potter said to Voldemort as they fought their final duel, 'try for some remorse'.
     
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  8. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    Can you imagine anyone else of his standing lowering themselves to comment on some obscure blog? It must be getting to him if he feels that he (repeatedly) has to do that.
     
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    Valentijn Senior Member

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    One small step til they're shouting on street corners :)
     
  10. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    If anyone sees SW roaming the streets with a sandwich board pics would be appreciated.
    I imagine something along the lines of: 'The world is ending, CBT is the cure'
     
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    An Open Letter to Dr. Simon Wessely, Defender of the PACE Study

    http://www.thefacultylounge.org/201...simon-wessely-defender-of-the-pace-study.html
     
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  12. trishrhymes

    trishrhymes Senior Member

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    Fantastic. I love the way a coolly reasoned argument demolishes Wessley's blustering. I do hope he reads it. I shall save and savour this.
     
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    Cheshire Senior Member

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    Wessely's answer: http://www.thefacultylounge.org/201...0c#comment-6a00e54f871a9c883301b8d2397e7b970c

    As usual, he doesn't respond to the questions asked directly, but still claims his complete and eternal devotion to the PACE trial.

    A few points he made are intriguing (and maybe a bit worrying):

    (bold mine)
     
  14. BurnA

    BurnA Senior Member

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    Is he just trying to cast doubt over the whole thing, without actually saying anything. That's my interpretation.
    If the PACE authors want to respond that's great, let's see what they say, I can't imagine they will come up with anything that doesn't make them look bad.

    As for more cases etc. I suspect this is innuendo, the cat is already out of the bag, what other decisions are there ?
     
  15. BurnA

    BurnA Senior Member

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    @Jonathan Edwards reply is just too good.

    Here's a snippet

    I urge you to read it in full here

    http://www.thefacultylounge.org/201...0d#comment-6a00e54f871a9c883301bb0952afcf970d
     
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  16. trishrhymes

    trishrhymes Senior Member

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    Wessely is just pure posturing. He never makes any point of substance in defense of PACE... and it often seems that he doesn't need to!
     
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    Love it.
     
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    Photoshop?
     
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    I agree. This is just standard operating procedure for Wessely. He will either respond with obfuscation and waffle and then claim that the matter "is dealt with" or he will hint that an official response is coming later. It's all part of his strategy to not contribute to the debate with an argument of any substance because he knows he'll be caught out if he does.

    Charlatans, bureaucrats and career politicians are good at it.
     
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