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The association between borderline personality disorder, FM and CFS: systematic review

Discussion in 'Latest ME/CFS Research' started by Effi, Sep 4, 2016.

  1. Effi

    Effi Senior Member

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    http://bjpo.rcpsych.org/content/2/4/275
    Sarah Penfold, Emily St. Denis, Mir Nadeem Mazhar
    British Journal of Psychiatry Open Sep 2016, 2 (4) 275-279;
    DOI: 10.1192/bjpo.bp.115.002808

    :eek::eek::eek:
     
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  2. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Despite their best efforts they found nothing, but will keep trying.

    What motivates people like this?

    And what is an "index of clinical suspicion"?
     
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  3. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    :bang-head: More Snark-hunting ....

    Hunting_Snark_map.jpg
     
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  4. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member

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    When will the psychs finally accept that it's ALL IN THEIR MINDS!
     
  5. Chrisb

    Chrisb Senior Member

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    Is it some borderline personality disorder that prevents some researchers dealing with patients with the conditions supposedly being researched?

    Methods A search of five databases yielded six eligible studies. A hand search and contact with experts yielded two additional studies. We extracted information pertaining to study setting and design, demographic information, diagnostic criteria and prevalence.

    So that's all right then.
     
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  6. Kina

    Kina

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    Irrational delusions.
     
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  7. Sean

    Sean Senior Member

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    Guilty until proven innocent.

    SNAFU
     
  8. true
    and in some cases, bloody minded rat bastardy! :p
     
  9. user9876

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    For the 5 CFS studies they quote they have one at 17% but with only 35 patients. Others are much less. The abstract of this 17% study says

    From comments in the review about this study:
    So it looks to me as if the questions they ask to claim BPD may just have answers that come with fatigue (suggested by increase in MS and CFS). Also it is unclear how to disentangle depression from ME. This is also the smallest study with 34 patients.

    For another study they comment
    This was a larger study with 113 patients. But I do wonder if the questionnaires are just picking up effects of being ill. This study found the smallest number of people with BPD.

    With this study of 50 patients the numbers with BPD were smaller than the healthy population. There healthy population figure is high at 6% which is as high.

    But the 6% figure for controls is similar to this study (92 patients) which has the same level for CFS.

    So looking at this I would conclude there is nothing worth looking at. Certainly not worth research dollars being diverted to this rather than promising research lines.
     
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  10. Denise

    Denise Senior Member

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    Oh Good Grief!
    When will these claims end?
    How much biological proof do these people NEED?
     
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  11. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    They are completely immune to any amount of proof. All we need is enough proof for the rest of the world to realize what complete nonsense they are babbling. At that point they will be sidelined and ignored. Then they'll get bored and move on to their next victims (ie sufferers of another unexplained illness). That is why it is so important that they are brought to account and this madness is stopped instead of being rewarded with knighthoods.
     
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  12. A.B.

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    What's the name of the personality disorder in which there is an emotional need to build a narrative of moral failure in patients with poorly understood disease?

    It's always the most vulnerable patient populations that are targeted. Some sort of a bullying phenomenon.
     
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    BPD is fairly common in the population. If you exclude the clearly invalid tiny study that showed 17% prevalence rate, the rate of BPD in the other CFS studies is just what you'd expect in any population. Their conclusion is puzzling/absurd. I'm surprised that no reviewer pointed this out.
     
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    I am not sure they will only move onto other groups. This study also used people with MS and seems to have made the same basic flawed assesments of that biological illness.

    ie/ Feel ill?

    Yes..

    Ah look your "behaviour" has changed therefore you have a co morbid personality disorder.

    Dont forget this study claims to be looking at comorbid issues not primary cause. Its obvious though that the intention is to imply "BPD" as causative and hidden. It s a game that ca go on and on.

    The next stage is obvious when biomarkers are found for the cause of the physical disease, they will start a whole new round of "we have discovered the biomarkers for the mental function change in ......".

    Feeling ill is a personality disorder!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    Why am I not?:whistle:
     
  16. Sidereal

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    Natelson was the senior author of the 17% study, btw. I've always considered him a wolf in sheep's clothing.
     
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    I guess I should be used to it by now. As you can see this paper was published in BJP Open. A lot of major journals like BJP, BMJ, various Nature journals etc. have started these new Open journals which will literally publish any old piece of trash for a payment, the stuff that's not good enough for their reputable flagship journals. It's a money-making racket for them but as a consequence of these predatory publishing practices we're now in a situation where virtually everything on Pubmed is wrong and extremely poor quality research like this review is not just slipping through the peer-review cracks every once in a while but becoming the norm.
     
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    I was going to comment on this study, but gave up in exasperation! (It's possibly best to ignore it anyway!)

    This paper is basically trolling the patient community via academic publication? Is there a word for that?
     
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    Sidereal Senior Member

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    The editor of this journal is from QMUL btw.
     
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