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The Alternative Medicine Racket 9/4/15 via Reason.com

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by *GG*, Dec 7, 2015.

  1. *GG*

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    I can't tell what the article's main angle is, tbh.

    But it made me think... I wonder if this move to include more alternative therapies in medical establishments around the world, including the NIH, is an attempt to bring about more placebo remissions where they can.

    I mean, we know it is unethical for doctors to knowingly prescribe placebos, but where all else has failed perhaps 'suggesting alternative therapies' is a soft way of inducing placebo in some patients?

    Not saying I agree, just wonder if that is the thinking... Alternative therapies offer a backdoor to getting around placebo ethics?
     
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    Reason is a right-wing publication that wants a smaller government and opposes the ACA (Obamacare), so it would naturally want to call attention to gov't waste.

    Personally I agree with the video. The NCCIH has done nothing more than than disprove complementary therapies, as Sen. Harkin pointed out, but very few people use those negative findings when making medical decisions.

    The NIH has been receiving less and less money, and I would rather it go toward actual biomedical research instead of disproving treatments that are implausible on their face.
     
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    Very interesting article @ggingues.

    This was quite astonishing. My bold.
    :p:jaw-drop::woot:

    Amen! Many people don't realize that negative studies are rarely published. This can lead to the erroneous conclusion that if these therapies don't work, then surely that information would be easy to find. The media doesn't always report negative studies unless it's a topic that will grab headlines.

    More information on NCAM. Same blog but different issues. There are also links to information within the blog that might be worth a read.

    Bold is mine.

    ."
    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.or...ppointed-that-nccam-hasnt-validated-more-cam/

    Even the natives are revolting!:love:

    Emmeline Edwards, Ph.D., Director, Division of Extramural Research at the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) who was on the planning committee for the
    National Research Congress on Integrative Medicine and Health (IRCIMH) had the following to say. Bold is mine.
    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.or...e-research-conference-disappoints-even-nccam/

    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.or...ill-the-money-come-from-thats-easy-the-nccam/

    Barb
     
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    There is no such thing as a 'placebo remission'. There is no 'powerful placebo effect'. The placebo effect is basically no longer focusing on symptoms - with small changes in neurotransmitters or endogenous opioids. Patients might report less pain as a result, but a placebo will not cure anything at all.
     
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    Zeitgeist? (the word itself, not a title):


    "The National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health (NCCIH), a part of the NIH, is largely the brainchild of a single person. In the 1980s..."
    https://reason.com/reasontv/2015/09/04/alternative-medicine-racket


    "The book's [The Men who Stare at Goats] first five chapters examines the efforts of a handful of U.S. Army officers in the late 1970s and early '80s to exploit paranormal phenomena, New Age philosophy, and elements of the human potential movement to enhance U.S. military intelligence and operations..."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats


    "The original director of OAM was Joseph Jacobs, MD. He resigned in 1994... The present director, Wayne B. Jonas, MD, is a primary care physician and lieutenant colonel in the army...

    As of this writing, Dr Jonas’s research output consists of 2 letters to the editor, 1 review article, 1 article in the Lancet, and 1 preliminary study on nicotinamide in osteoarthritis. Dr Jonas has penned a few reports on the mission and operations of the OAM and is the coauthor of a book, Healing with Homeopathy: The Complete Guide..."
    http://www.sram.org/media/documents/uploads/article_pdfs/5-4-09.Halperin.pdf


    The Gulf-War-and-Health Treatment for Chronic Multisymptom Illness (2013) committee included Wayne Jonas...
    http://www.nap.edu/read/13539/chapter/1


    May 2015: "Team [of US Army doctors] Hits Road to Promote Holistic Medicine"
    http://www.army.mil/article/147939/Team_hits_road_to_promote_holistic_medicine/
     
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    I subscribe to Reason, it's in the middle of the road to me. They are for Open borders and Marijuana, I'm against the former, for the later, medical at least. I am fro Freedom and choice. Why should I have to buy health insurance?
    Doesn't seem like the "free" country I grew up in!:wide-eyed:

    Obamacare is a disaster, that from my reading will implode, unless the gov't/Politicians who are supposedly against it, keep funding it! (Obama was such a consensus builder, that not 1 Republican voted for it, no Major piece of legislation has ever been passed in the US, by such means).I'm not sure why anyone on this forum would want more Socialist Medicine, it has been a failure to our friends in Canada, UK and many countries in Europe. Look at the poor people locked up in psych wards (etc..), due to there compassionate stances. Not so funny! :bang-head:

    GG

    PS Lets not make this political, I know i am in the minority, but the USA was set up to protect speech and people who are in the minority! Because Democracies trend towards mob mentality!
     
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    Doctors deliberately and with full knowledge prescribe placebos a lot. They prescribe even more without knowing they do. Indeed, psychiatrists in particular defend the placebo effect, and many acknowledge they use it a lot.
     

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