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Testing for coxsackie virus. How?

Discussion in 'Diagnostic Guidelines and Laboratory Testing' started by Boule de feu, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. insearchof

    insearchof Senior Member

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    BDF

    in addition to studies cited by ric, John Chia has also published on Enteroviral infection since 2005. He has shown that contrary to mainstream medical thought, you can have a chronic persistent Enteroviral infection for many years.

    Enteroviruses do not hang around in the blood for long, but migrate quickly to the tissues. Some research has suggested coxsackie has an effect on the immune system and can increase dramatically with cortisol and hormone production.

    Serology tests vary in type and ability to detect viremia, but are generally not effective unless the viremia is building after an increase in virus production. John Chia has talked about the limitations of serology based tests and it is what prompted his research and tissue biopsy approach. He went looking for it in the place it was known to thrive, the gut. However, he does not test just any gut tissue, but requires tissue from the ant rum area and prepared and sent in a particular manner. So you might need to ask Dr Chia whether the tissue samples you have are suitable.

    Endosocpy and colonoscopy can be difficult to get through, but arranging a consult with your anaethitist? and providing him or her with information on drug reactions in PWCFS from anesthetic agents, as well as flagging important physical limitations ie: OI, POT, cardiac, myalgia MCS etc will allow your medical team to select a more suitable anesthetic, as well as a request to ensure you are well hydrated with saline and anything else ie magnesium before, during and after the procedure, all make a huge difference to post op recovery. (in fact I think hydration this way is the secret to a speedy recovery from most anesthetic agents whether you have ME or not )


    JStfl, what you report regarding improved health after the colonoscopy is I believe, the result of the bowel prep that is prescribed pre op to clean out the bowel. My guess is, that it reduces Enteroviral and other bacterial loads. I am inclined to the view that not enough attention is given to killing off /cleaning out the bowel ( and re populating gut flora) on a regular basis in ME and other patients with chronic GI symptoms. The issue of GI parasites once regularly addressed by our grand parents generation, has all but been forgotten as well.
     
  2. nanciswell

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    For coxsackie virus some people do very well with symptom control using homeopathic cosxackie. The virus is known to lodge predominantly in the hips so anyone with hip pain and no physical link , coxsackie would be suspect. Freinds have gottten immediate relief with the homeopathic. It may not be cured as a person with chronic fatigue often has a multifaceted problem with immune system deficiences

    I had similar problem with a virus called simian virus which lodges in the shoulders. Two years of chronic frozen shoulder was cured in a couple of weeks after using the homeopathic of simian virus.

    nanci
     
  3. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    I have some interesting links for the work of the late Dr John Richardson, who had 50 years experience of treating and studying enteroviral CFS/ME, and observing enteroviruses in the community setting: how these debilitating viruses would be passed down in families from one generation to the next, making it hard for certain families to attain health, because of this family affliction.

    His book, Enteroviral And Toxin Mediated Myalgic Encephalomyelitis / Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, is partially available to read online here on Google books.

    There is also this interesting study by Richardson:

    Viral Isolation from Brain in Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (A Case Report)
    Journal of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Vol. 9(3/4) 2001, pp. 15-19. Author: J. Richardson

    This study looked at the brain of an ME patient who unfortunately died (through suicide), and found enteroviral VP1 protein in the fibroblasts of small [blood?] vessels in the cerebral cortex, plus some patchy distribution of enteroviral VP1 protein in a small fraction of glial cells.
     
  4. Boule de feu

    Boule de feu Senior Member

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    I'm sorry I haven't been on this thread for a little while, now. I'm dealing with a dying parent, right now. I feel overwhelmed.

    HIP - Thank you so much for this. I will have a look at it. I might order the book.

    NANCI - I do have hip pain but only in the morning. It goes away after a little while.

    INSEARCHOF - I knew I could not get away with the biopsy. My GI had to put me asleep for the last one and it took me forever to be well again. I'm a bit worried and I'm wondering if it is really worth it going through this. If it turns positive, will the treatment work? I have tried so many things that did not work. =-(

    Thank you all for your replies. I have learned quite a lot on this since posting.
     
  5. Boule de feu

    Boule de feu Senior Member

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    I'm sorry you had to go through this ordeal. It's not enough to be sick... =-(

    When I had my first biopsy, I requested that they tested me for H. Pylori because I did not know about enterovirus.
    (I think it is a routine test, anyway). I don't think my GI knew about enteroviruses, either.

    Strange that I had a polyp, too. My dad also had some.
    He ended up having colon cancer and now he is dying from liver cancer (metastases).

    What are the other causes for polyps?
     
  6. Boule de feu

    Boule de feu Senior Member

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    WONDERFUL, Ric. Thank you for this! =-)
     

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