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Swiss Re insurance: advice re CFS/ME from Peter White: Diagnosis & Treatment

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Bob, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. Bob

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    Yes, it does seem contradictory, doesn't it. First they say that it would be 'difficult' to claim that CFS is a mental health condition, and then they say that "CFS can alternatively be defined as neurasthenia", which is categorised as mental health in ICD-10.

    But, according to the ICD-10, CFS is not alternatively named as neurasthenia. 'Fatigue Syndrome' is listed under neurasthenia, but not CFS. In the index of the ICD-10, CFS links to ME.

    And 'Postviral fatigue syndrome' (under which ME is categorised) is excluded from the 'neurasthenia' category in the ICD-10.

    I'd like to see their justification for claiming that CFS is equivalent to neurasthenia. I wouldn't have thought that it would stand up in a court, if an insurance company refused payment by trying to claim that CFS is neurasthenia. Especially in the UK, where the NHS uses the name 'CFS/ME'.

    It's interesting to see evidence of (small 'p') politics at play, and why names and categorisations make a big difference for financial vested interests.
     
  2. Valentijn

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    Wessely's done quite a few non-research essays comparing CFS to neurasthenia, and basically saying they're the same thing. Is he involved with the insurance industry?
     
  3. Bob

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    He seems to claim that he has not worked for the insurance industry, apart for roughly a year at PRISMA in 1999, and I don't know if there is any evidence that he has received personal income from the insurance industry. But whether he is 'involved' in the insurance industry is another matter.
     
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  4. biophile

    biophile Places I'd rather be.

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    Yes, it is quite ironic* that after speaking to the lead author of the PACE Trial about the results, the same trial which debunked the notion that CBT/GET made any significant difference to employment losses and insurance payouts, Swiss Re then proceeds in recommending CBT/GET "to assist the [...] return to work of CFS claimants".

    * Not really, when considering the history of exaggerated and misleading claims in the promotion of CBT/GET.

    To be fair, the following sentence suggests the article was written in 2012 or earlier, possibly before the relevant data was released in August 2012: "There will be more web-based training offerings from the Swiss Re team in 2012."

    The article is still on their website however, so it reminds me of this recent humour article:
    5 Outrageous Lies Companies Are Legally Allowed to Tell You
    http://www.cracked.com/article_1948...ompanies-are-legally-allowed-to-tell-you.html

    I wanted to add: "#6 Insurance companies allowed to mislead about the efficacy of CBT/GET", but then I saw:

    "#2. Products Are Still Claiming Bullsh*t Health Benefits."

    Meh, close enough.
     
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    Does anyone know when Peter White first worked for insurance companies? The earliest date I've found is 1999.
     
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