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"Swish & Spit" AVProtocol

Discussion in 'Antivirals, Antibiotics and Immune Modulators' started by Mackee, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. Mackee

    Mackee

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    I posted the message below as a response to another thread, fyi, but here goes:

    I could not tolerate the generic Valtrex @ 1 g, 3x/day. I am not generally intolerant to or particularly sensitive to meds as a rule; however, I am not a very large adult (5'6", appx. 114-120 lbs). Recently my EBV Early Antigen level flagged high on an EBV panel blood test my doctor ordered and thus, the EBV has reactivated / is reactivating.

    My specialist took me down to 500 mg., 2x/day of Valtrex (Brand name this time) temporarily--for about 2 weeks, until I felt okay to go to 500 mg., 3x/day and then titrate slowly back up to the initial dose. I was given clear instructions to take each dose after a full meal only.
    This time, I was also rx'ed Zantac (300 mg), to take before each meal in which I was taking the Valtrex dose afterwards.
    I was told the Zantac can help with peptic side effects, but also helps to increase absorption of the Valtrex in the system.
    Still, I wasn't doing too well with the Valtrex. So yesterday, my Specialist prescribed a new protocol for me. (Personally, I had not heard of it yet, but it sound promisingand makes sense to me thus far).
    I am now rx'ed Acyclovir, 800 mgs., 4x/day. (However, I am beginning with 2x/daytostart with).
    I have been given instructions to crush each tablet extremely well & then stir &dissolve it into a few ounces of warm water.
    I am not to swallow this mixture, but rather"swish" it around in my mouth for 3 min. & then spit out. I can rinse my mouth out with water, etc. when I'm done, too. If all goeswell, I will I begin doing this 4x/day and for 6 mos. on the full dosage.
    I am still to take the Zantac as well.
    This method is said to help bypass many of the potential side effects that I may face by just swallowing it.
    One of his nurses walked me through the phone had personally via phone yesterday.She followed the same protocol and is functioning at a "normal" level and saideven feels quite peppy often now (whichher demeanor/voice does seem to radiate, haha).
    She also gave me some awesome tips & tricks for following the protocol on the go and so forth.
    I am feeling optimistic about this so far.
     
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  2. minkeygirl

    minkeygirl But I Look So Good.

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    I've heard of the swishing but can't rmemember where. U thought it was her used to the drug at low doses so you could build up. But I'm not sure.
     
  3. xrayspex

    xrayspex Senior Member

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    Dr Cheney employed swishing for some of his protocols
     
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  4. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem All Good Things Must Come to an End

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  5. Mackee

    Mackee

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    @Little Bluestem, sorry for the delay! I have not checked the forums in a little while.
    It's been difficult to stick with the swish & spit regimen, but the nurse did warn me about this. For me it is mainly because it takes a LOT more prep time & work than simply swallowing the pills. At 4x/a day, some days following the protocol correctly can be tiring in & of itself!
    However, I am vowing to start anew with it. All in all, I really cannot complain much; I have had NO side effects at any time so far. Also, the generic brand of acyclovir tablet I have been taking remarkably has no taste whatsoever when crushed, mixed with a little H2O, & swished for 3 minutes. I could hardly believe it. My pharmacy has the brand on a monthly re-order for me, thankfully.
    I still take Zantac, 300 mg, 2x/day (before meals) because Dr. Dantini believes it helps aid the absorption of the AVs as well as help offset some of the potential side effects.
    I really just need to get my rear back in gear, set daily alarms for my doses, and try to prep as much in advance so I can re-start the protocol & stick to it properly for 6 mos!
     
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  6. Clerner

    Clerner Senior Member

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    I see Dantini too. I just switched to famvir from valtrex bc I was getting toout depressed/angry. Famvir is a much smaller pill! With less horrible taste. l am getting extreme bloating after I take it ( maybe bc it's still so new) I will try the zantac and maybe that will help until my body gets use to it.
     
  7. Clerner

    Clerner Senior Member

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    @Mackee How are you doing on swish/spit protocol? I can swallow pills so Dr Dantini said I could do this swish with acyclovir. I tried valtrex a while ago and got severely angrey/depressed. Just realized acyclovir is the same as valtrex so I'm really worried. Plus, I gained so much weight on valtrex! Have you gained any weight on acyclovir swish/spit protocol?
     
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    Hi @Clerner

    are famvir or zovirax (acyclovir) any better re side effects than valtrex? thanks
     
  9. Clerner

    Clerner Senior Member

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    I think famvir had less side effects than valtrex. I don't seem to have any side effects just swishing with acycolvir for 4 min. But, I can't swish too close to taking my doxy or I will get nauseous.
     
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    @ebethc yes, I think famvir had the least side effects of all but everyone is different.
     
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    hasn't famvir been linked to breast cancer, and testosterone problems in men?

    good to know re acyclovir - even if it is just swishing!
     
  12. Clerner

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    Not sure if swishing is going to be effective enough. After finishing antibiotics I might have to start swallowing the av's.
     
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    ebethc Senior Member

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    good luck :)
     
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    Hi there, I'm about to switch from Valtrex to Acyclovir with the swishing method recommended by Dr Dantini. I have felt horrendous from the Valtrex. I'm wondering how this has gone for you? Are you feeling better?

    --Stephannie

     
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  16. StephM

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    Thanks! Are you no longer taking the AV meds? I'm also on LDN, but I can't say I notice an improvement from it. I've been on it for about 2 months. Did you feel improvement right away or did it take awhile?
     
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  17. Clerner

    Clerner Senior Member

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    Not more AV meds. I was on valtrex for 6 months, and famvir b4 the 6 mo. of Valcyclovir. Don't know if it's making a difference, esp. Swish/spit. I might go on it as needed. You should start having more energy and less pain from ldn by now. But, i had 4 viruses and 4 bacterial infections and low NK cells. Ldn was a huge help. Found out 4 weeks ago I was anemic. That hasn't helped my energy! Slowly better now with iron.
     
  18. Thinktank

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    @Mackee , has the swish and spit protocol helped you?
    I'm interested to hear more about your experience because i do not tolerate AV's very well.
     

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