Phoenix Rising tells QMUL: release the PACE trial data
Mark Berry, Acting CEO of Phoenix Rising, presents the Board of Directors’ open letter to Queen Mary University of London (QMUL) urging them to release the PACE trial data, and hopes that other non-UK organisations will join British charities in the same request...
Discuss the article on the Forums.

Surprising [Initial] Improvements with n-acetylcysteine (NAC)

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by Wayne, Dec 21, 2017.

  1. Wayne

    Wayne Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,828
    Likes:
    2,929
    Ashland, Oregon
    I started supplementing with NAC yesterday, and feel it's been improving my brain function in some surprising ways. Below is my short story on how it came about...
    -
    I had read a testimonial recently by a man who several years ago had some serious health problems, and did a deep dive into any supplement he thought might help. He's since regained his health, but continues to try just about everything that comes along to see what it might do for him.

    One of the things he said, was that of all the supplements he had ever tried, none gave the degree and consistency of benefits that he gets from NAC. I don't recall now what all those benefits were. But it prompted me to try NAC again, after trying it a number of years ago. I didn't recall getting any significant benefits back then, and had seen some cautionary notes about pwME/CFS using it.

    But I did try it again yesterday, and gave it a good shot to start with, probably about 2000-2500 mg. I soon started noticing I was doing things on the spur of the moment I normally wouldn't do. I also noticed a slight decrease in appetite. As the day wore on, I skipped my normal afternoon nap, and continued to clean up a vastly overloaded inbox in my email account.

    I felt a slight bit buzzed as the evening wore on, and wondered if it was going to affect my sleep (negatively). It did affect my sleep, but positively. I got to sleep about an hour earlier than normal, I slept better than normal, and I slept a full 8 hours (rare for me).

    I started out today with half the NAC I took yesterday, and soon found myself going for a walk--at a faster pace, and went a greater distance than normal. I worked in the kitchen for an hour or so afterwards, and now have the energy to make this post. Obviously, this is all quite intriguing, and very hopeful for me. Will be interesting to see if the benefits continue, or if they peter out like so many other things have in the past.

    I think a lot of the improvements I've noticed have to do with how NAC is affecting my brain. I recently ran across quite a remarkable article (long and in-depth) on NAC being used in psychiatry for things such as schizophrenia, addictions, depression, anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, etc. It's all outlined in the article below. I've noticed I've felt more like myself since first taking NAC yesterday morning. Here's a link to the article:

    N-acetylcysteine in psychiatry: current therapeutic evidence and potential mechanisms of action


    @knackers323
    @Marco
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2017
  2. Mary

    Mary Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,977
    Likes:
    6,818
    Southern California
    THat's a very interesting article, @Wayne. I just scanned the first several paragraphs and found the part about glutamate very interesting, because of insomnia issues. I've been taking 1200 mg NAC daily for many years, but might try increasing my dose and see what, if anything, happens.
     
  3. *GG*

    *GG* Moderator

    Messages:
    6,215
    Likes:
    4,849
    Concord, NH
    Hmm, running out of cash here, and almost out of this supplement. I have been taking 600 mg for years now. Perhaps a little in my quality multi-vitamin as well. So perhaps 800 mg a day?

    GG
     
  4. perchance dreamer

    perchance dreamer Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    Likes:
    1,945
    For some reason, NAC gives me really bad insomnia in amounts larger than 300 MG. I do tolerate that much NAC in my Sinatrol, but can't go above. Too bad since it has such good properties.

    I remember Valentin takes it in the evening to help her sleep.
     
    Wayne and TreePerson like this.
  5. Janet Dafoe (Rose49)

    Janet Dafoe (Rose49) Board Member

    Messages:
    604
    Likes:
    11,241
    Interesting. We gave Whitney NAC for a long time and we couldn't tell that it made any difference. I don't remember if it was IV or added to his PICC line IV food bag. It's so nice that you found something that helps.
     
    Joh, *GG*, Mary and 4 others like this.
  6. Neunistiva

    Neunistiva Senior Member

    Messages:
    260
    Likes:
    1,423
    I read that it seems N-acetylcysteine (NAC) increases mercury concentrations in the kidneys and the brain so maybe people who eat fish or otherwise have elevated mercury levels should be careful with taking NAC.
     
    Wayne likes this.
  7. Wayne

    Wayne Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,828
    Likes:
    2,929
    Ashland, Oregon
    I seem to recall now that when I first tried NAC a few years ago, that I did experience some unpleasant symptoms. Increased headaches come to mind, but a sense of "agitation" comes to mind as well. I think this may be an example of how certain supplements can be right for us at one time, but not at another time. In my case, I think I did a great deal of detoxification since I last tried NAC, which helped lead to my current good results.

    I'm still noticing the good effects this morning (without taking any NAC so far). The relatively increased energy is nice, but the sense of a new calm in my body is really the predominant thing I've noticed so far. For many years I've noticed when I lay down to rest or sleep, that it's difficult for me to relax my facial muscles (and most likely other muscles as well). It's been very noticeable for me since starting NAC that it's much easier for me to relax. Not sure why that is. But it's so pronounced that I suspect it's (at least in part) from some kind of effect on my parasympathetic nervous system.​
     
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2017
    Learner1, TreePerson and Mary like this.
  8. perchance dreamer

    perchance dreamer Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    Likes:
    1,945
    NAC is also good for thinning mucous. That's why my ENT had wanted me to try taking more.
     
    Wayne and Learner1 like this.
  9. Alvin2

    Alvin2 If humans were rational...

    Messages:
    1,327
    Likes:
    3,690
    I have a few ideas of things to try for Whitney, which are whey protein and acetyl carnitine. I have found both are surprisingly helpful, the whey giving aminos for pyruvate dehydrogenase to convert to energy (based on the Fluge/Mella PDH impairment paper) and pyruvate dehydrogenase being inhibited would prevent Acetyl CoA from being created hence unable to donate acetyl groups to form acetylcholine which is what the acetyl carnitine can do (its the only reason i am currently coherent). I find both are dose dependent, 30g of whey a day so far and the acetyl carnitine i am still slowly increasing, i'm currently at 2000mg/day (started at 500mg), each dose increase took some adjustment.
     
    Wayne and jpcv like this.
  10. Janet Dafoe (Rose49)

    Janet Dafoe (Rose49) Board Member

    Messages:
    604
    Likes:
    11,241
    Thanks. He took both of those for a long time. It's such a bummer that nothing makes any difference that we have found so far.
     
    Joh likes this.
  11. Alvin2

    Alvin2 If humans were rational...

    Messages:
    1,327
    Likes:
    3,690
    Aye carumba, i'm so sorry to hear that :cry:
    I'm surprised the acetyl carnitine didn't make any difference, i started at one tablet and am currently at 4, i had to adjust to each dose and it had effects that seemed to regress. That said i don't know what else you have tried and i was hesitant to suggest anything at all, but i do hope something comes along soon.
    I also take D Ribose, though its not an energy giver per se, it replenishes ATP which carries energy, not sure if it might help and i'm guessing you may be tired of trying countless things that don't seem to make any difference :bang-head:
     
  12. Janet Dafoe (Rose49)

    Janet Dafoe (Rose49) Board Member

    Messages:
    604
    Likes:
    11,241
    He took D Ribose for a long time, then stopped because of the PICC line, and now has started it again through the J-tube. I can't tell if it makes a difference. And he can't talk to tell me. Not enough for me to notice, that's for sure. Such a drag. Thanks for your interest.
     
    *GG*, Joh and Alvin2 like this.

See more popular forum discussions.

Share This Page