I will re-post my original post in the hopes to re-rail this thread. I understand tha everyone has different views and different waays of coping. Every view is valid and has merit. Lets just not put each other's views downs. The reason I started this whole thread is with the understanding that spirituality in combination with suffering is a great challenge for many. For others, it's a natural outcome. i wanted to open conversation about it, with acceptance to all. Some of us, me included, has gained a lot from this thread and I hope we can continue it in a successful matter. We are obviously from many different beliefs and experiences yet, I believe we can allow everyone's perspective and continue the conversation.