Hi Knackers, These bugs do produce cytolysins (such as pneumolysin) which are known neurotoxins. These are pure sugar fermenting bugs that are prolific producers of lactic acid and Hydrogen Sulphide. They can live for up to 70 days in a hibernated state in your body without food. They can live for up to 40 days on your kitchen bench or door knob. The best you can do is reduce their numbers through diet to a point where you can reduce your symptoms, not cure the disease. They still cause the auto-immune response, even in low numbers. BUT! I take 1 Tbs of psyllium husks mixed with 2 Tbs of apple cider vinegar and 1 Tbs of olive oil every morning. I have often wondered if I ate nothing but that for 3 months .... would that kill them off?? Acetic acid is a natural bug killer. Their skins are an exotoxin ( lipoteichoic acids) so killing them off will poison your system initially possibly causing an increase in symptoms. The only way to cure this is to hit these bugs with serious antibiotics. I keep seeing so many posts where people stop and start antibiotic regimes. Streptococcus/enterococcus can very quickly become resistant to antibiotics, especially macroloids if they aren't eradicated during the first treatment .... subsequent treatment with the same antibiotic is useless. What I am saying is if you are going to take these bugs out, you gotta be serious about it and if you have had multiple antibiotics previously, then you are going to need daily IV or injections of up to 3 different antibiotics. Gentamycin (4 - 6 weeks) + Doxycyclene (100mg 2 x day) + Azithromycin (250mg/day 5 days per week) for up to 6 months. Some penicillin can also be of use instead of doxycyclene. But if you have had repeated exposure of clindamycin, erythromycin, clarithromycin, azithromycin or any other macroloid, then you need to get really serious. Getting really serious is something like Ramoplanin (8 -12 weeks) + Daptomycin (8 - 12 weeks) + Streptomycin/Gentomycin (4 - 6 weeks) or longer if possible. There are lots of different drugs such as vancomycin, linezoid, tiglecyclene avelox, cipro etc. but again, you pretty well only have 1 shot then they are useless. I really suggest that people start looking into whether they have these bugs, and an anti-DNase B antibody test is a good start. Working collaboratively and collecting some common data so we can educate the medico's how to take these bugs out properly is the key. This shotgun approach is just making it worse because the bugs are building resistance because of inappropriate treatment ..... Just my 2 bits worth.