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Streptococcus overgrowth

Discussion in 'The Gut: De Meirleir & Maes; H2S; Leaky Gut' started by Gary1001, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. Gary1001

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    Hi,

    I've just had a Faecal Microbiology report which shows an overgrowth of Streptococcus. My question is, can you still take probiotics with Streptococcus thermophilus? I.e. is S.thermophilus unlikely to contribute to an overgrowth.
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    I've just had a Faecal Microbiology report which shows an overgrowth of Streptococcus. My question is, can you still take probiotics with Streptococcus thermophilus? I.e. is S.thermophilus unlikely to contribute to an overgrowth.


    Gary1001,
    I'm glad you asked that, I just had fecal microbial test show under Yeast/Fungi that Saccharomyces sp. is positive. Positive = +2.(1000 pg DNA/g specimen). I know that probiotics often (always?) have saccharomyces in them, but don't understand how it all works.

    Maybe we'll get some help with this.
  3. beaverfury

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    Wish i could help, Gary, but i'm none the wiser.

    I just got a high Enterococcus/Streptococcus, Low E.coli, high candida reading on my test.

    I'm going to take mutaflor (E.coli) to raise those levels.

    I'm going to take some olive leaf extract, some grapefruit seed extract or orageno oil to belt down enterococcus whilst also taking some vsl#3 and b. saccharomyces (to combat candida). Do i know what i'm doing?..
    NO.

    Bioscreen recommends ampicillin or amoxycillin for enterococcus/ streptococcus overgrowth.
    I'm wary of antibiotics so i'll try some inner gut sculpting with 'natural' stuff first. Hoping to subtly alter ratios
    rather than thermonucleise my gut bacteria. Though, who knows what works better?

    I wish this field had more guidelines. Playing around with my gut flora has some strange mind effects.
    So far, i feel it is making my brain completely blank and incredibly dumb
  4. justy

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    Hi, i have just had a result from Genova CDSA of both Alpha and Gamma Haemolytic Streptococcus at 4+. This was described as 'non -pathogenic' Firstly i'm not sure what they mean by non pathogenic if it is listed as 'additional bacteria' plus the levels seem quite high. Does anyone have any knowledge about this? my Doctro who ordered the test felt it WAS something and suggests i can either do a course of antibiotics (amoxcil) or long term 3 days a week low dose amoxcil, or just try diet and kefir etc to crowd it out. I'm not keen on the anitb's as i often have to take them for lungs and im sure they helped set up the problem in the first place.
    My beneficial bacteria were listed as
    Lactobacillus species


    4+
    Escherichia coli


    4+
    Bifidobacterium 4+

    So this looks quite good.

    Justy x
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  5. svetoslav80

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    I haven't done any test yet but I also think I have bacterial overgrowth in the intestines, after long term use of PPIs. My bowels are rumbling after meals and I have urge to go to WC. I'm on a water fast now, after which I'm going to try some "natural" treatments as probiotics and garlic, and if this doesn't help I will try to get antibiotic (but I'm not sure by GP will give me a prescription).

    To answer Gary's question, I'm not a specialist but I think there is no problem to take probiotics while being infected with pathogenic bacteria. The idea is that the pathogens should be replaced by the benefical bacteria in the probiotic.
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    Hi everyone, this morning I started mutaflor after getting back my Bioscreen result with 97% streptococcus. It made my blood sugar crash something crazy about 1-2 hrS after taking. Am thinking it is doing something in my gut, hopefully outnumbering the strep. I started taking biokult a few weeks ago but started getting OCD type thoughts and it's only my personal opinion but I think the strep in biokult was causing this. Since stopping and hitting the olive leaf extract hard its improved. I also got strep throat on Monday and had the OCD thoughts again. I'm sure it's exitotoxins from the bacteria. So hoping Mutaflor helps, will take it at night now
  7. beaverfury

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    Its hard to know what's going on, isnt it?.. Without further testing.

    My stomach feels better after VSL#3 ,but my mind is incredibly blank. I havent noticed anything either way from mutaflor.

    Bioscreen indicate that high levels Streptococcus/Enterococcus significantly and positively correlate with cognitive dysfunctions (nervousness,memory loss, forgetfulness, confusion, mind going blank), and sleep patterns.

    But how can we be sure we are belting down just Strep/Enterococcus with olive leaf or whatever we are taking?
    It sure is confusing.
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  8. Hi guys,

    I'm new here. Does anyone have any experience dealing with dysbiosis/leaky gut? Specifically strep overgrowth? Or does anyone know any good docs in Melbourne Australia?

    Thanks a lot,

    Jesse
  9. SJB944

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    Has anyone successfully got on top of Streptococcus in the gut? If so, what did they use.
  10. annacermakova

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    i got streptococcus and entrococcus? sjb944
    how is your treatment going?
    I have been told antibiotics will take care of it.
  11. annacermakova

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    cfs discovery melbourne try them
    I have overgrowth entrococcus and streptococcus awaiting for treatment.
    How you are going?
  12. annacermakova

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    hi Gary,

    I got same problem as you. Just wondering did you take antibiotics to suppress the bacteria?
    If so do you feel better?

    Anna

  13. Gary1001

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    Hi Anna,

    I don't really have any answers, still searching. For me, I believe the state of my stomach is the cause of my cfs and have not addressed it yet. For what its worth, the things that have helped are as follows:

    -A modified GAPS diet.
    -Anaerobic lactic fermentation sauerkraut
    -Bone broth
    -Hydrolyzed collagen
    -Digestive enzymes and HCI

    I've also had some success with antifungal treatment and are now looking closely at SIBO as I am very carb intolerant.

    Cheers,

    Gary
  14. annacermakova

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    Hi Gary,

    I have been treated with antibiotics to supress the strep. and entroco. however they are so far resistant so will have to get different antibiotics.

    I also take digestive enzymes.

    I am off gluten. I had food allergy test but come back negative so I am sensitive to it.

    I also got high parathyroid issue with low calcium wihich gives me alot of GI issue.

    I got CFS after gastro this year in February and never recovered from it. I strongly believe that resorting gut will get us back to normal life.

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    hi,
    after the gastro 3 weeks later I got sinus infection and was treated with antibiotics the one bioscreen recommended.
    I think that is why I do not have any e.coli.
    The gastro I got was first one. My daughter has the same problem as I do.
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    Hello, I don't know what happened to my above post.

    You said that the bacteria seem resistant to the antibiotics. How do you know this is the case? Have you tried the mutaflor yet?
  18. annacermakova

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    Hi

    after the gastro 3 weeks later I got sinus infection and was treated with antibiotics the one bioscreen recommended. I believe that the antibiotics only caused me to loos my good e.coli bacteria because after the antibiotics my energy dropped to 30% and since then I developed food sensitivity.

    The mutaflor might did something but heard to say as I got hypothyroidism with low calcium which again gives me lots of GI issue.
  19. Elph68

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    Viridans Strep and Enterococcus create an environment that lowers the good bacteria levels. They are multi drug resistant superbugs. Viridans strep will become totally resistant to Macroloids after only 1 week of treatment. The reason commercial tests return negatives for all the inflammation, whether vagina, prostate, uti, sore throat, anus, tongue, face etc. is because these bugs are classed as normal flora and they are mainly non-pyogenic. They are the main contributors to the bodies inflammation process which causes ME/CFS. If you have high levels of enterococcus or strep, taking lactobacillus will only further contribute to the inflammation and you need large doses of multiple antibiotics to get them out of your gut. These bugs are no longer opportunistic, enterococcus produce gelatinase and hyaluronidase, and the toxin cytolysin and it is gelatinase that allows the bug to break through the epithelial barrier and cause inflammation. Gelatinase and mytolysin is also produced by Viridans strep. Viridians Strep are very similar to strptococcus pneumonia genetically and can do the same damage, and a lot worse. These new superbugs have slipped under the medical radar and are now making us very ill .... Kill the strep and the enterococcus in your bowel and the science says you will improve. .... break the inflammation, break the disease ....
  20. knackers323

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    Hi Elph

    Do these bugs cause neurotoxins?
    Also do they feed of certain foods? Would changing our diet starve them? And could this in turn cause symptoms to flare as they die off?

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