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Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by dangermouse, Mar 11, 2017.

  1. dangermouse

    dangermouse Senior Member

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    Hi everyone,

    I'll keep this as concise as possible as I'm not great right now.

    Has anyone had a reaction to (or similar reaction to a similar thing) chili? Yesterday I was eating a chilli that was very hot (too hot for me really). Within minutes of eating it I began to feel light headed which intensified as I went on eating (I had to stop eating it). I felt like I was going to faint. I had nothing to give energy wise and severe fatigue set in fast. I couldn't word find. I felt flushed and became cold and shivery. I was sat down but felt unsteady and like I was losing consciousness. Veins on my hands were large and soft. Breathing was laboured but not hyperventilating. I couldn't swallow easily and felt like I was going to choke. I developed a headache. I couldn't use my hands and my arms were lollopy (like a rag doll). I wasn't scared, it was like I was observing in slow motion. My vision was blurry.

    If nothing else it was interesting, though I don't want to experience it again any time soon.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. slysaint

    slysaint Senior Member

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    don't know about the chilli; what you describe (and more) happens to me every so often for no apparent reason.

    Meantime: you have no avatar, maybe you'd like this one:
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  3. dangermouse

    dangermouse Senior Member

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    Thanks for the DM avatar :)
     
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  4. Invisible Woman

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    Hi @dangermouse. Lovin' your new avatar!

    Chillies are interesting. They trigger receptors in our tongue which warn us that we being burnt / injured. This in turn will trigger a big physiological response. It can certainly, suddenly amp up your metabolism.

    I am very sensitive to stimulants like caffeine and adrenaline and also suffer from an underactive thyroid, for which I take medication. At times the thyroid meds need to be adjusted and if I am on slightly too much and eat hot food it can trigger a reaction similar to the one you describe. My system just goes into overdrive and I feel very faint.

    Funnily enough the BBC programme "The Secrets of your Food" had a piece on chillies this week. Including this chilli eating contest:

     
  5. dangermouse

    dangermouse Senior Member

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    @Invisible Woman thanks, it's interesting that you've had a similar thing happen. I haven't experienced it when eating before, but it was a hot chili.

    I don't think I'll be doing any chili eating contests, though I know a man who could :)
     
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  6. PatJ

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    Those are all symptoms of low blood pressure. Chili peppers can dilate veins which will lower BP. If your body already has trouble keeping blood in your upper organs when upright (a form of orthostatic intolerance; common in CFS/ME), then a chili will make that problem even worse. If it happens again then try lying down flat to get more blood into your brain and upper organs.
     
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    dangermouse Senior Member

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    @PatJ that makes sense, yes. I do get symptoms of Orthostatic Intolerance quite often, I'm especially struggling with standing lately. Thanks for the tip.
     
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    "If it happens again......" ?? I would stay 10 miles away from that experience, again. just don't eat that stuff :jaw-drop:
     
  9. PatJ

    PatJ Forum Support Assistant

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    :) I meant if it happens again for any reason. It isn't just chilis that can cause low blood pressure. When experiencing serious low BP signs as mentioned in the original post it's important to lie down. In some cases if you ignore low BP symptoms your body might force you to lie down by causing you to pass out, which risks a head or other injury.
     
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  10. valentinelynx

    valentinelynx Senior Member

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    :eek:! THESE ARE ALL SYMPTOMS OF ANAPHYLAXIS! WHICH IS OFTEN FATAL! DO NOT IGNORE: CALL 911 (or your country's emergency number if you are not in US) IMMEDIATELY!!! This is a true emergency where minutes can kill.

    Sorry about shouting, but "next time" it may kill you! Particularly when you talk about the feeling of choking, which implies impending throat closure, which could next hit your airway (may have already, to cause your "labored breathing.")

    See you if you can figure out what it is in the chili that caused the reaction and avoid. Ideally, tell a doctor so you can't allergy testing and find out what it is you are allergic to. And, most important, get an Rx for an EpiPen (or the cheaper alternative now available) so you can treat yourself while calling 911.

    Alternatively, you may have MCAS (mast cell activation syndrome). Many of us do. It can precipitate anaphylactic-type symptoms unpredictably. Having an EpiPen may save your life. Be very aware of anything else that causes flushing, throat swelling, dizziness, rash, etc. and avoid!
     
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    Thanks. I see.
     
  12. dangermouse

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    Thanks for that information. I'm definitely not gonna be having anything like that again. It happened once when I had pineapple (the throat swelling thing) and the GP said that it's probably just been ''one of those things''. My husband asked if I should have an EpiPen but the GP said that it was not necessary. Needless to say, I don't have pineapple now.
     
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    Hi @PatJ and @5150

    Yep, I'm definitely not gonna have anything like that again.
     
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    Your GP is ... not so smart...
     
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  15. dangermouse

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    Hi @valentinelynx no pineapple or Chili for me, it's just not worth it.
     
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    Thanks very much for that information @PatJ I did also get a very runny nose and flushing on my face from eating the chili.

    The main symptoms (as I recall) from the pineapple was throat and tongue swelling, itching inside mouth, difficulty swallowing and wheezing...was really scary as I was in a restaurant with my daughter, the staff all ignored me whilst my daughter ran to the nearby chemist for antihistamines.
     
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    Should have been running to the phone to call for an ambulance. Not a joke.
     
  19. dangermouse

    dangermouse Senior Member

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    @valentinelynx yes, you'd have thought so wouldn't you. It was not a nice experience.
     
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