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Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by alice111, Sep 29, 2015.

  1. alice111

    alice111 Senior Member

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    Wayne Senior Member

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    I don't have experience with that website, but I did make an order with this one, which I was satisfied with...

    http://www.powdercity.com/
     
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    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    minkeygirl But I Look So Good.

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    Powder city is good. I've used them.

    Www.powdercity.com

    I got pitacetam. Didn't notice much. The thing with smart drugs is you should stack them.

    Oops sorry @Wayne missed your post
     
  5. PatJ

    PatJ far and free I gaze

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    I've never tried piracetam but have read about some potential side-effects.
     
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    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    Piracetam made me sleepy , aniracetam was good but its been awhile. Pramiracetam was energizing as was noopept but tolerance happens quickly. Definitely worth a shot and used as needed.
     
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    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    Ditto powdercity was the last place i ordered nootropics from. Theres a few good places around that have good products.
     
  8. Wayne

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    I've tried piracetam and found it to be way too stimulating, even in very small doses (about 1/10 of a capsule). So I tried aniracetam, which is supposed to be much more "relaxing". When combined with l-theanine, it was supposed to be a totally calming experience. I found that combination to also be too stimulating, even at very low doses.

    So I re-tried L-Pyroglutamic Acid, the amino acid that all these nootropics are modeled after with various kinds of tweeks. It seemed like a more natural way to go, although I doubted whether it would be strong enough to make a difference. Turns out, I couldn't really tolerate that either, which I also find to be uncomfortably stimulating.

    I have to say though, that before I got to the uncomfortable stimulating phase, I did notice and enjoy a certain degree of extra energy and mental sharpness that accompanied it. But for me, it's way too much like drinking coffee, or a bit too much coffee. I'm just better off without it, as it affects me (with sleep and more) long after it would for a normal person.

    @alice111, If I were to recommend a way to start exploring nootropics, I'd probably suggest starting out with l-pyroglutamic acid. At the link above, you can get 30 tablets at Amazon for $7.33, a cheap and easy way to start. If that doesn't work, then maybe go to the tweeked nootropics from there.

    What I like about the Powder City website is that it gives very thorough descriptions of all of them, so you can make a relatively well-formed opinion. But as with most things for pwCFS, what is generally true for normal people may not be the case for us.

    All the Best, Wayne
     
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    @heapsreal How did you decide which to try? What were you expecting? Was any of it useful long term? thx.

    @Wayne I've just cross-posted w/ you. thx for this explanation.
     
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    Since this topic is going to be honest I don't really understand what nootropics do...??? Can anyone explain this in a very brain fog friendly way :) ?
     
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    powdercity like everyonbe else! :)
    @alice111 as a fellow Canadian it has reasonable shipping fees to here
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/ is a great resource for nootropics info and vendor safety

    I've bought about 10 supplements so far. noopept is the only one I think that may (or may not) work so far. If it does then I have found increased focus from it :D
     
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    @panckage do u mind my asking which other ones you tried?
     
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    It's copied and pasted. I'm too tired to edit it properly haha


    Ashwagandha Extract (2.5% Withanolides) - anxiety
    B Complex Sublingual Liquid
    Caffeine Anhydrous - with L-Theanine ashwagandha
    Choline bitartrate - 500mg noopept headaches
    D-Ribose - energy, diarrhea?
    DHEA - made from yam or SOY
    L-Theanine - tea. For anxiety. As needed + caffeine
    Melatonin
    Noopept - focus, euphoria?
    Phenibut
    Rhodiola Rosea
    Tribulus Terrestris
     

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