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Six Siblings With Lyme Disease Travel To India For Stem Cell Treatment

Jonathan Edwards

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It does say in the article it still needs to be defined which type of stem cell is most beneficial for regenerating injured ligament tissue. Hard to believe all the research, past and present is just a total waste of time, there must be some merit to it under some circumstances. But I do not underestimate the placebo effect neither, the article also pretty much says it is still all up in the air as well.

So if they have not defined the cells they obviously don't even know if they are stem cells. They admit to bullshitting.

Why should it be hard to believe that all the research is a waste of time? - most research is, I am afraid.
 

sillysocks84

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Stem cells help people like Robert waddell. Google him and "kidney'. He is on no immunosuppressive meds after kidney transplant. They are good and lifesaving in situations.
 

barbc56

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There's really no more information from a month ago. No updates, nothing. But then there never really was. Any relevent information about the kids medical history, diagnosis or other treatments they received was never disclosed. We don't even know if they were tested for lyme. It's almost like there's a news blackout.

If the kids are sick, and we don't know either way, subjecting them to possible harm by an unproven treatment in a shady clinic, is child endangerment. I would never ever expose my daughters to anything that has the potential to put them in harm's way!

Barb
 

Antares in NYC

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It is however, a treatment for Heavy Wallet Syndrome! This in turn decreases the number of people with back problems.

There are even studies that prove this. Yes, there are. Don't you dare doubt me. Check out PubMed as I just don't have the energy to post them.:D

Barb
Not funny.
People with long term disseminated Lyme suffer tremendously and would try anything to get any kind of relief or improvement. Furthermore, I can't blame parents for selling their house to pay for any kind of treatment to help their very ill children. Can you? I feel sorry if they've been scammed, or if the treatment only offers temporary relief.
The alternative is to sit down, suffer, and wait to die, because the official answer from the authorities is... We got nothing for you.

If the kids are sick, and we don't know either way, subjecting them to possible harm by an unproven treatment in a shady clinic, is child endangerment. I would never ever expose my daughters to anything that has the potential to put them in harm's way!
First of, why would you doubt they are sick? For someone with ME/CFS you seem to have a lot of contempt for your fellow travellers with Lyme. I don't understand why.

Secondly, would you let your children slowly deteriorate, getting worse every day with no solution available for them? The thought alone is torture for any parent. I can't blame parents with children that have advanced Lyme or ME/CFS for trying, since we only get neglect from the authorities, we are told to go away, it's all in our heads, we have nothing for you.
For many of us, that's not an acceptable answer, and would rather try something other than watch our lives --and the lives of our loved ones-- slowly fade away. I would never endanger their lives, but I would certainly look into alternatives that have worked for others dealing with the same issue.
 
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barbc56

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People with long term disseminated Lyme suffer tremendously and would try anything to get any kind of improvement
My views on testing, treatments or this particular situation are in no way an acknowledgement that Lyme doesn't exist. It does. It's a brutal health condition..
The alternative is to sit down, suffer, and wait to die, because the official answer from the authorities is... We got nothing for you
Very few things in life are an either/or situation. There may be many choices available to be proactive. I understand the desperation. I live with it every day.
First of, why would you doubt they are sick
Why would you think they are? I stated that we don't really know all the details and that's the biggest issue I have with this story. They may very well be sick. They may have Lyme. The stem cell treatment may have cured them. The whole thing may be a scam. The reality is we don't really know by taking this story at face value.

In fact taking things at face value and not questioning them, may end up causing more problems. If we don't dig deeper into issues, if we don't keep asking questions, any solution, if there is one or more out there, may get sidetracked and in the long run that is a real disservice to those who are sick.

You seem to be one who doesn't accept the status quo, asks many questions and does a lot of research.. Probably 99.9% of us on PR are like that. That's commendable.

If we don't come to the same conclusions, so be it as that's part of the process of learning. It's not necessarily personal nor disrespectful.

Enjoy your turkey day!

Barb
 

Martial

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My views on testing, treatments or this particular situation are in no way an acknowledgement that Lyme doesn't exist. It does. It's a brutal health condition..

Very few things in life are an either/or situation. There may be many choices available to be proactive. I understand the desperation. I live with it every day.

Why would you think they are? I stated that we don't really know all the details and that's the biggest issue I have with this story. They may very well be sick. They may have Lyme. The stem cell treatment may have cured them. The whole thing may be a scam. The reality is we don't really know by taking this story at face value.

In fact taking things at face value and not questioning them, may end up causing more problems. If we don't dig deeper into issues, if we don't keep asking questions, any solution, if there is one or more out there, may get sidetracked and in the long run that is a real disservice to those who are sick.

You seem to be one who doesn't accept the status quo, asks many questions and does a lot of research.. Probably 99.9% of us on PR are like that. That's commendable.

If we don't come to the same conclusions, so be it as that's part of the process of learning. It's not necessarily personal nor disrespectful.

Enjoy your turkey day!

Barb

Good post Barb, never assumed you dismissed their suffering, but it is definitely important to question everything at face value like you say. Who really knows what is going on with the limited information we have on this particular case. What I do know is that with enough looking and educating ourselves, eventually it seems we usually do come across the right help or treatment we need, at exactly the right time we need it. Though getting there can unfortunately take decades sometimes, mostly because some potential treatments that could help are not technically released to public like Rutixmab. Thankfully with all the research being done now, it doesn't seem people have too suffer long term, too much longer.
 

Antares in NYC

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My views on testing, treatments or this particular situation are in no way an acknowledgement that Lyme doesn't exist. It does. It's a brutal health condition..

Very few things in life are an either/or situation. There may be many choices available to be proactive. I understand the desperation. I live with it every day.

Why would you think they are? I stated that we don't really know all the details and that's the biggest issue I have with this story. They may very well be sick. They may have Lyme. The stem cell treatment may have cured them. The whole thing may be a scam. The reality is we don't really know by taking this story at face value.

In fact taking things at face value and not questioning them, may end up causing more problems. If we don't dig deeper into issues, if we don't keep asking questions, any solution, if there is one or more out there, may get sidetracked and in the long run that is a real disservice to those who are sick.

You seem to be one who doesn't accept the status quo, asks many questions and does a lot of research.. Probably 99.9% of us on PR are like that. That's commendable.

If we don't come to the same conclusions, so be it as that's part of the process of learning. It's not necessarily personal nor disrespectful.

Enjoy your turkey day!
Hi Barb,

I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving as well. I appreciate that you understand the pain and desperation that come with Lyme disease, independently of how you may feel about the current testing methods.

My point regarding the article in this thread (about the family with six children struggling with Lyme) has to do with how much doubt and resentment we had been dished for years, be it ME/CFS, Lyme, and everything in between. When you automatically question "if they are even sick at all", it does trigger a knee-jerk reaction in me that I'm sure you would understand and relate to.

I can't begin to tell you how many times I bounced from doctor to doctor, only to hear the same doubts. For over a decade I was pumped pull of antidepressants or useless treatments because my doctors wouldn't understand what was happening to me, and frankly I doubt they cared much about it. It is now, in the last few years, when I have developed multi-systemic issues and my health is evidently plummeting after years without treatment that doctors "see it." I was also lucky enough to meet a terrific ME/CFS specialist in 2013 that saw the signs, investigated further, and was able to bring to light the core problems (immune dysfunction, Lyme, co-infections, NK cell depletion, EBV titres off the charts, severe IBS, etc). If only any of the countless doctors I saw since the late 90s had taken an interest in my case, maybe I wouldn't find myself in this sorry situation.

Can't tell you how many times I was told "you must be depressed," "maybe you should go out more," "you shouldn't look up diseases in the internet," "maybe you are not happy with your life," "maybe you are a bit of a hypochondriac," "we all get tired as we age, get over it." All that came from doctors that knew nothing about me other than a medical chart. They were all wrong.

I agree with the principle of being skeptical, of asking additional questions, getting to the bottom of things and not taking people's words at face value. No doubt. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here in PR looking for answers. But after 16 years of hell (no other word can describe this nightmare), my immediate reaction to a news report of an entire family afflicted by Lyme is sympathy. Even more if they have been scammed, and mortgaged the house for an expensive treatment that will do nothing for them.

If I have learned anything from my ME/CFS-Lyme experience is to not dismiss people when they say something's wrong. We all know our bodies better than anyone else, and if something's not right, you certainly would notice it first. I would even extend this to all sentient beings. Case in point: we were once saved by our pets, who knew there was a gas leak in the apartment but we (humans) could not sense it.

Anyway, I don't want to get off track. I hope that family finds relief to their horrendous situation. I feel sorry if they have been scammed. I don't doubt there's something making them very ill. If they are not even sick at all, well, then that's on me for believing it. But I would rather trust they are going through a medical nightmare than dismiss the whole thing as some sort of scam.

PS: independently of where we come from, I wanted to say we share a lot in our own experiences. You recently posted a description of the "tired but wired" symptom in another thread, explaining how even trying to sleep feels exhausting. I could have signed that myself, sincerely.
 

barbc56

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@Antares in NYC

My point was in this particular situation, given what little information we have from the media, it's impossible to determine if the children do or do not have lyme.

If the children don't have Lyme it's a disservice to those who do and only adds fuel to the fire that it doesn't exist. Plus this means they are subjected to unnecessary and possibly harmful treatments. Just the opposite applies. If they do have lyme and it's automatically dismissed because of what the media reports then it's as harmful as the experince we have been through, and they won't get even symptomatic treatment.

The bottom line is that we simply don't know.

Barb

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I like your point about shared experiences. Despite differences about some aspects of our illness, on the whole we all probably agree more than disagree.:)
 
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