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Simon Wessely wins prize for "Standing Up For Science."

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by urbantravels, Nov 6, 2012.

  1. Min

    Min Senior Member

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    He is on the board that allocated the award!

    There has never been any evidence provided that a person with M.E. has sent him a death threat. If such letters even exist they could have been sent by anyone, including himself. No-one has ever been arrested or prosecuted for making serious threats.

    His vile smear campaign against the patients he pretends to help continues to gather momentum. Meanwhile, the patients themselves continue to suffer and die.

    RIP Emily Collingridge whose funeral was today; she suffered dreadfully since developing severe M.E. at the age of 6. She died because the psychiatric profession, with known links to he health insurance industry, have for the last three decades inappropriately taken all research and treatment funding for the neurological illness myalgic encephalomyelitis.

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfr...tigue-syndrome?cat=commentisfree&type=article
     
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  2. taniaaust1

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    LMAO now why doesnt that surprise me.

    He should be made to prove it happened.. otherwise its slander of the whole ME/CFS community which has impacted all of us. Where's all the death threat letters and why didnt he go to the police about them and have it followed up? surely if you are getting death threats which really concern you (obviously it really really concerned him as this keeps being brought up over and over), that is what a person does.
     
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    Hi Min, do you have a link to show he is on the board? Which board? It would be nice to quote in advocacy. He is not one of the judges. Bye, Alex
     
  4. Snow Leopard

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    Another case of "It''s not what you know, it's who you know". ;)
     
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  5. Min

    Min Senior Member

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    Thanks Min, that is what I was looking for.
     
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  7. taniaaust1

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    Who's writing the next book for all the corruption around ME?

    One day I think there will be a movie about all this.
     
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  10. maryb

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    Lets not beat about the bush, I'd call it a reward for murder:mad:
     
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  11. Guido den Broeder

    Guido den Broeder *****

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    A Dutch journalist, Kees Kooman.

    http://www.keeskooman.nl/pg-24423-7-58069/pagina/columns_2012.html

    His book 'Gebroken leven' (Broken life) will appear in December.

    I've given him a lot of information. Hopefully he has used it all.
     
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  12. biophile

    biophile Places I'd rather be.

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    http://www.nature.com/news/john-maddox-prize-1.11750

    Err, the cognitive behavioural model of CFS with CBT/GET, is not exactly a great example of "sound science" (in fact it is at serious risk of collapsing as a primary model), so the award must be more due to the alleged harassment. It is no surprise that Wessely has faced "difficulty or opposition" in promoting his opinions and studies on CFS. It strikes me as odd that out of all the candidates, a mediocre researcher in the backwaters of medical science is getting such an award, especially if he supposedly retired from CFS 10 years ago due to harassment ie cowering away from the very field he is supposedly bravely sticking up for. And we all know how Wessely views cowardice in the military!

    I am sure you all would be shocked, *SHOCKED*, to discover that Wessely is on the "Sense About Science" advisory board (http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/advisory-council.html).

    High praise for mediocre and controversial research. Reminds me of how the Science Media Centre praised the PACE Trial as the "highest grade of clinical evidence", despite being a non-blinded trial without placebo control and purposely dropping an important objective outcome while relying almost entirely on self-reporting.

    Powerful advocates? LOL. Starting to sound like a conspiracy theory to me. CFS and ME advocates have to be one of the most *powerless* groups of people in modern society. Their efforts have fallen on deaf ears and/or frequently ridiculed. Everything gets conveniently labelled as "militancy" if it disagrees with the party line.

    Wessely's pet view that CFS is a psycho>somatic functional disorder primarily perpetuated by mental factors, is arguably also "an extreme and narrow version of the disorder". And regarding psychiatry as a "contemptible discipline", anyone care to estimate the suffering and body count of psychiatry throughout its history? Comparatively, it appears that the darkest chapter in ME and CFS advocacy is an online cyber scuffle over XMRV, while the body count of the entire history of ME and CFS advocacy is a big fat 0.

    Such abuse is terrible and unacceptable, if it is occurring. The problem is however, the evidence for such seems to be lacking. Every time it is raised, we are just supposed to take their word for it, even though AFAIK no evidence has ever been presented and no one has ever been arrested and convicted of a crime in related to the alleged harassment. Furthermore, these claims are always presented in a way which smears all critics as dangerous criminals: [only radical extremists criticize Wessely's EBM approach]. It is the latter which I find particularly irritating and slanderous, the blanket dismissal of all criticism, under the guise of promoting science and defending against ideological extremism.

    He continually smears his critics in articles and has recently compared his critics to violent extremists who threaten and kill when insulted. That is "responding in kind". Anyone who has been threatened, or had family threatened or killed, by violent extremists, could take offense too.
     
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  13. biophile

    biophile Places I'd rather be.

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    http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/john-maddox-prize.html

    IMO, the irony here is that "sticking up for science" in ME and CFS also means applying scientific skepticism to Wessely's claims. I nominate McPhee et al of ME Analysis on the PACE Trial.
     
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  14. biophile

    biophile Places I'd rather be.

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    Some more information ...

    http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/2012-maddox-prize.html

    Enjoy.
     
  15. Holmsey

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    Sticks and stones... Nothing we say here is going to hurt him, in fact we only ever support the suggestion we're irrational when we express our personall feelings in public like this.

    Revenge is a meal best served cold... There's not much cold or scientific in this thread, as was pointed out earlier, Nature could come to regret this as 'real' science finally unravels the mystery, even accepting that their intentions are pure, they're still going to be open to ridicule.

    But in the end I think the clue is in the opening post where it states - "The prize rewards individuals who have promoted sound science and evidence on a matter of public interest, with an emphasis on those who have faced difficulty or opposition in doing so".

    SW has faced difficulty, even if you think that difficulty has often been exagerated, or is far less than our own. Our illness is also, I hope, a real matter of public interest. That only leaves the promotion of sound science, I'll always argue that science is the study of the objective Universe and that as soon as we step into the realms of subjective analysis or subjective concepts then that's no longer science. Clearly Nature disagrees, or perhaps they're giving credit for the non psychiatric aspects of his work, does it matter.

    We're never going to be privy to the process, friendships, prejudices, business objectives, support or sponsorship that lead to these types of awards being made, or why Nature and the Kohn Foundation would choose to make them.

    I'd urge everyone to abandon this thread, saying nothing serves us far better than venting our feelings in this way. The only purpose our comments can serve is in the hands of a critic trying to convince others we are all irrational, spite filled and bordering on violence.

    One always worth remembering... Pride comes before a fall.
     
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  16. Enid

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    Just come across - who's been a busy little bee then - spreading hiis "science" about to those who will listen. Of course ignoring the real science in ME/CFS.
     
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  17. Merry

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    A friend in the UK just emailed to say that this is the "first awarding" of the prize and went on to deride it by saying, "It looks like one of those awards the pop music and book industries give each other in a spirit of self-congratulation and media puffery. . . ." Biophile confirms that this is a new prize in #34 (a quote from Simon Wessely about his happiness at being a first recipient).
     
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  18. heapsreal

    heapsreal iherb 10% discount code OPA989,

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    I have never heard of any patients who have seen him and be helped by him. You would think if he was having success treating this illness he would be showing off his success stories, but the truth is he has very little success stories and probably alot of patients who have gotten alot worse.
    Hands up if u have been helped by SW and or by his methods???
     
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  19. Enid

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    No hands up heaps - but I can report my successful escape from 3 Docs and the psycho - "all in your mind"- they imposed in A & E following collapses. The best was getting home in one piece and the distance between.

    Still trying to spot the science there ....... but there's a good book " Psychiatry - The Science of Lies" by Emeritus Prof of Psychiatry Thomas Stephen Szasz (NY Upstate Medical Uni Syracuse). And googling "is psychiatry a science" produces volumes who agree with that.
     
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  20. Guido den Broeder

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    Perhaps we should give each other prizes as well. :)
     
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