@Hip
Did you also stop eating green leafy vegetables when you switched to Freddd's protocol, in order to cut out eating the folinic acid from this food source? In other words, did you do both Freddd's protocol and elimination of green vegetables at the same time?
No. I was juicing lettuce and eating cooked zucchini. My folate deficiency symptoms continued on, even when I was on very high doses. Then I became aware that I was having adrenal stress. I looked up zucchini, and only found a reference that it's good for pregnant women, as a source of folate. So I concluded this was a problem for me. I don't think I even recalled Fred's info re folinic at that time. In fact, it was only later, when I started searching the forums that I saw his statements.
I was engaged in a detox protocol at the time. I stopped the zucchini, which at that time was about 2 medium/day. And my detox was thrown into high gear. It was all I could do to ride the process out. I assumed that it was because the cooked veg had been keeping things in check. But in fact, once I removed the high folinic veg, my methylation kicked in like a bucking bronco. I stopped all Mfolate for several days, with no deficiency symptoms, unheard of in my past experience. And when I eventually resumed, it was at 1/2 the dosage I'd been on. I stayed on that dosage for some months, until reading about sublingual use. Once I started taking folate sublingually, I needed only 1/3 of what I'd been using since. I'd been up to 30mg when eating green veg; dropped to 15mg without the greens; and now use 5mg sublingually.
I've found that at least for now, avoiding green veggies altogether is best for me. My most recent attempt was a small handful of pea sprouts. I had adrenal signs appear overnight. I'm certainly hoping that maybe completing my current Candida and proteolytic enzyme regimen, or after that a 3-day fast to reset immune system, might make a shift. But I'm no longer so hopeful for that result. There's clearly a certain level of brokenness in my methylation cycle. Maybe this represents one of the several ME's that Jonathan Edwards postulated some months back.
Both of the key elements in Rich's SMP, HydroxyB12 and Folinic were unhelpful for me. I tried them over a couple years, before I was using the forums. And I tried again once I'd corrected my diet and was ready to get serious about methylation. Rich's injunctions about Fred's unique genetics and need for high doses made me very fearful to try. But clearly the other wasn't working.
Furthermore, The additional components of Fred's
Deadlock Quartet, AdenoB12 and L-Carnitine Fumarate, performed as Fred said they would. I tried 3 other forms of carnitine before the fumarate. In part, this was because I'd been using 2 different forms in the past, and so had some on hand. But really, it was due to the fact that as many hour
s as I spent reading the info re Freddd's Protocol, looking again and again for the correct form, my brain was still so impaired that I just couldn't focus and retain the information long enough. I ended up thinking LCF was the wrong form, when, as he predicted, when I took it there was an almost immediate brightening. That's what led to me compiling so many notes, which I then consolidated into a Guide, so that others wouldn't have to spend quite so many hours searching.
I know there's a group of people here who've been having good results. Maybe they weren't attracted to a thread about a petition regarding govt regulations of folic acid. There's a very long thread, ActiveB12...something or other. There's another entitled something re High Methylfolate users, which has a real-time account of the detox drama I mention above.. Someone could create a poll thread re methylation.
