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[J.G]

@jason30 Can I ask, how were you diagnosed with liver congestion? I've recently noticed some mild benefits from silymarin, which leads me at least consider liver involvement. A liver ultrasound was normal, however, and liver enzymes were "only" mildly raised and therefore - according to the specialist I saw - not sufficient to warrant further investigation (which I'll therefore have to take upon myself.)

 

[ebethc]

Hi ebethc- I have tried egcg but I never really gave it a chance to see if it would help. I'm pretty sure I am TH2 dominant and egcg is suppose to increase TH2 immunity, so I didn't take it very long.

what does TH2 dominant mean? I have never understood those terms... I get ALOT of colds, flus and then have a hard time recovering... I think this is contrary to a lot (most?) typicals CFS patients.

I take the enteric coated so have no problem with the stomach.

which brand?

I used to be affected by damp weather but I don't notice it any more. High heat and humidity though, will wipe me out!
98% humidity with heat would almost kill me.

I'm still working on my gut and slowly improving. I started inulin (prebiotic) a few days ago and so far so good. I'm feeling better and my IBS-D has improved a lot!

One of the best ways to take a huge load off the liver is to get rid of dysbiosis and a leaky gut.

I'm hoping that working on gut will help w the weakness for damp.... (airborne) particulate matter & damp are the two things that know me out... I live in california, so a temperate climate has been very, very good for me

Which foods do you cut out? I don't eat grains except white rice, very low dairy.. mostly produce and some meat

 

[ljimbo423]

what does TH2 dominant mean? I have never understood those terms... I get ALOT of colds, flus and then have a hard time recovering

My understanding of TH2 dominance is that there are 2 basic arms of the immune system, TH1 and TH2. TH1 protects us from colds, flus etc, it's our first line of defense against pathogens.

The TH2 arm has memory and is why we only catch a the measles once and never catch the same cold virus more than once. An over active TH2 arm can cause allergies, mcs, eczema, an over-reaction to toxins etc. I have all of these to some degree.

I take the "Swanson Vitamins" brand of SAM-e, which is enteric coated.

Which foods do you cut out? I don't eat grains except white rice, very low dairy.. mostly produce and some meat

I have been on a completely starch free diet for about a year and a half and aggressively treating dysbiosis and leaky gut for about 6 months. I just started adding back in, small amounts of rice and white potatoes into my diet.

Healing and rebalancing dysbiosis in the gut is so important to liver health because toxins from the gut get taken directly to the liver to be neutralized, which puts a heavy burden on the liver.

 

[ebethc]

My understanding of TH2 dominance is that there are 2 basic arms of the immune system, TH1 and TH2. TH1 protects us from colds, flus etc, it's our first line of defense against pathogens.

The TH2 arm has memory and is why we only catch a the measles once and never catch the same cold virus more than once. An over active TH2 arm can cause allergies, mcs, eczema, an over-reaction to toxins etc. I have all of these to some degree.

so, is this correct?
TH1 dominant = rarely/never get colds/flus (many cfs'ers)
TH2 dominant = allergies, mcs, eczema, an over-reaction to toxins etc

I have been on a completely starch free diet for about a year and a half and aggressively treating dysbiosis and leaky gut for about 6 months. I just started adding back in, small amounts of rice and white potatoes into my diet.

does starch-free = no root veggies?

I'm grain free, except for rice, but I'm thinking I have to be more aggressive.... I eat root veggies b/c I like cooked vegetables

 

[ljimbo423]

so, is this correct?
TH1 dominant = rarely/never get colds/flus (many cfs'ers)
TH2 dominant = allergies, mcs, eczema, an over-reaction to toxins etc

Yes, that's my understanding of it. However, most people aren't exclusively TH1 or TH2 dominant.
Meaning one can be TH2 dominant but still have some high TH1 cytokines and vise versa. I remember looking at someone's cytokine tests they posted here at PR a couple of months ago. They were clearly TH2 dominant, because they had 5 TH2 cytokines that were high. However, they also had 2 TH1 cytokines that were high. So it's not black or white.

does starch-free = no root veggies?

I just cut out the big sources of starch, like potatoes, rice, pasta, bread etc. I think these are the major foods for dysbiosis/sibo.

Everyone is unique in what they need to beat dysbiosis and yet maintain a healthy body weight, avoid allergic foods, etc. Without extensive testing most of this is trial and error and intuition.

Jim

 

[ebethc]

Without extensive testing most of this is trial and error and intuition.
Jim

have you done ubiome?

 

[ljimbo423]

have you done ubiome?

No ubiome testing. I did have a cdsa done a while back that basically just confirmed I had severe dysbiosis. So not much help in deciding on any specific treatment, other than treating dysbiosis.

Jim