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Scientists want to train kids to be bulls**t detectors regarding health claims

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  1. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Hoarder of biscuits

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    Our world is awash in bullshit health claims. These scientists want to train kids to spot them.
    http://www.vox.com/2016/10/6/13079754/teaching-critical-thinking-schools-health-claims
     
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  2. Hutan

    Hutan Senior Member

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    First reaction to seeing Cochrane and 'bullshit detectors' in the same sentence was a snort of derision.

    Second reaction was 'what do we know about Iain Chalmers?'. He's a 'Sir', never a good sign of course. If I ever knew something about him, I've forgotten. But I'm sure plenty of people here will know lots.

    Is there any chance of putting the facts of PACE in front of him and getting him to push for an update to the Cochrane views on GET in the manner of the AHRQ? A change in the Cochrane recommendation would be enormously influential.

    (I fully expect to be informed that Iain and Simon have family holidays together or something...)

    ETA:
    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...c-misconduct-chalmers-1990.21379/#post-326203
    An old thread discussing Chalmers' papers calling for research transparency
     
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  3. Skippa

    Skippa Senior Member

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    Damn, reminds me of something like the Hitler youth, reporting their own parents for being deviants.
     
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  4. JPV

    JPV ɹǝqɯǝɯ ɹoıuǝs

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    Gotta make sure that no one questions big pharma's monopoly over health care.
     
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  5. Hell...Hath...No...Fury..

    Hell...Hath...No...Fury.. Senior Member

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    Yeah my first thoughts were the children spy's in Orwell's 1984
     
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  6. chipmunk1

    chipmunk1 Senior Member

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    if it were only so simple (anecdotal evidence = bad, large trial = good)

    According to this we must not believe that GET is harmful and must believe that CBT is effective.


    The bible of health bullshit detection
    One of the indispensable readings for anyone interested in evidence-based medicine isTesting Treatments(downloadable for free)

    I think I will skip this one.
     
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  7. trishrhymes

    trishrhymes Senior Member

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    On the positive side, I think a well taught critical thinking course in schools is a brilliant idea.

    And seriously, has anyone got the energy to put together all the documentation on the PACE debacle and ask him to practice what he preaches? (I'm not volunteering).
     
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  8. Jenny TipsforME

    Jenny TipsforME Senior Member

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    In theory it is a great idea to teach children to detect bullshit. Now that information is available so easily there is little point teaching kids to memorise stuff, what they need are tools to sort through all the information.

    However, who decides what is bullshit? The questioning needs to be deeper than is indicated here. They need to learn to detect vested interests. There are times when anecdotal evidence is more reliable than big data, depending on who is presenting the information. Evidence based medicine isn't immune to problems.
     
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  9. Glycon

    Glycon World's Most Dangerous Hand Puppet

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    First thing that popped into my mind was:

    CryptoKids.png
     
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  10. flybro

    flybro Senior Member

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    well if they taught them to detect the bull-shitters, children would become revolutionaries :)
     
  11. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    Good luck with that...
     
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  12. Dufresne

    Dufresne almost there...

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    Great! So now are kids can take a trip over to SBM and come back and tell us that chronic Lyme doesn't exist, our chemical and electrical sensitivities are all in our heads, only a drug can cure a disease, and we should take an SSRI and give CBT a try.
     
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