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Science Media Centre - "CBT - does it really work?"

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by worldbackwards, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    This was a briefing given by the SMC for journalists the other day.
    http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/cbt-does-it-really-work/
    Well, I know just what impartial, let's look at this from both angles, kinda guys and gals I'd expect to see at an SMC event on this and I wasn't disappointed.
    Well, that's all right then. I'm sure everyone was fully appraised.
     
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  2. A.B.

    A.B. Senior Member

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    This looks like an effort to disinform journalists in anticipation of PACE trial criticisms.

    One can easily predict what the message will be:

    - The evidence for use of CBT in CFS is robust.
    - Lack of blinding and emphasis on subjective outcomes in a clinical trial is no problem.
    - CBT is appropriate for CFS, changing "false illness beliefs" is not misuse, and there's no evidence of harm.
    - CBT is cost effective, and we are not using it enough (those poor patients).

    This mirrors the PACE trial criticism. I doubt that they will actually tell journalists that there are people who disagree with these points and can back their opinion up with good arguments.

    PS: CBT for psychosis is also under attack, so it's likely the briefing will reflect that.
     
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  3. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    The Science Manipulation Centre strikes again.

    'bout time we really started calling out that astroturf organisation for what it is.
     
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  4. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards "Gibberish"

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    There was a guy called Orwell who did some rather good send ups of this sort of thing years ago - four legs good and two legs bad, oops, two legs good four legs bad, and all that.

    But Big Brother had some style and manipulative skills. What seems so extraordinary about this is its transparent incompetence - like some teenagers pretending to be the ministry of information when all they are doing is what some psychiatrist chap tells them. Now that the emperor is seen to be naked it all seems ridiculous. But maybe things are changing - maybe in this internet age you can walk around in your birthday suit for ever and nobody will notice. No, I think chickens come home to roost in the end - to mix metaphors.
     
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  5. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    The SMC always makes me think more of TASS than Big Brother.
     
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  6. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    Oh, we're post-truth now Jonathan, no-one needs your "facts" or your "evidence" anymore. In fact, I've no doubt if the SMC conducted one of their analyses on you they could "prove" that you were a lizard. And we all know it's the Lizards who rule the world these days, backed by Hilary and Prince Philip and...:alien:
     
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  7. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    It is bizarre for them to have such a one-sided panel just as more people are becoming aware of their PACE spin.
     
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  8. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    How they are allowed to continue to exist when they are so obviously biased and corrupt is beyond me. To give a platform to a PACE author and his colleagues following the developments of the last couple of weeks without inviting any scientists with a different viewpoint is so brazenly biased, and demonstrates once again that this "charity" is just a front for a bunch of cronies promoting the BPS view.

    Every time they speak on ME they show how completely out of step they are with international researchers, scientists and clinicians who are doing their best for patients and following the evidence.

    Once PACE has been completely dismantled it needs to be the SMC next. A couple of years ago it seemed like nobody gave a toss about PACE outside the ME patient community, now we have found allies who, once they realised what was going on, were as appalled as we have been and gave us their support. Who would be horrified at what the SMC is doing if they knew? Anyone?
     
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  9. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    Not really. Seems fairly true to form. :)
     
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  10. user9876

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    I suspect there are websites on the internet that specialize in people walking around in their birthday suit (although not metaphorically).

    Also the chickens have wings which count as legs so four legs good two legs better

    More seriously there is an industry of people employed to do CBT and it is a different conflict of interest model than one designed for drugs. People earn a living and hospitals make profit on selling CBT services. I suspect that CBT is quite profitable for them.
     
  11. A.B.

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    Wessely sits on the board of trustees of the SMC. If there's anything related to psychiatry or ME/CFS, he will be the leading voice.

    Retired from ME/CFS, yea right. He probably played a large role in the smear campaign against patients and is the one responsible for the extreme bias in the SMC's coverage of ME/CFS.
     
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  12. Sidereal

    Sidereal Senior Member

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    You've got to be shitting me. So inviting three CBT shills who have built their careers promoting this useless treatment constitutes "honest appraisal of the evidence". They could have at least invited one biological psychiatrist to weigh in, preferably someone specialising in actual major depression.
     
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  13. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    SMC was (is) necessary so the journalists have access to the right (corrupt) information. Journos's job is easier because they have easy access to (biased) 'experts' who will provide an explanation of what the science said.

    This arrangement is (was) convenient for the psych lobby because they have access to instant press releases, with very little notice, like when Wessely announced he had death threaths in 2011, days after the ME ICC published.
     
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    Large Donner Senior Member

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    Some people only use the internet to observe such activity.... (so I hear).... and the word is out that such activity exists so maybe the second part of this statement disproves itself.

    :whistle:
     
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  15. JohnCB

    JohnCB Immoderate

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    James Coyne has done a blog on this too.

    https://jcoynester.wordpress.com/20...g-on-cognitive-behaviour-therapy-trustworthy/

    [QUOTE = Quick Thoughts - One of James C. Coyne's Blogs]
    Is the Science Media Centre briefing on cognitive behaviour therapy trustworthy?

    The UK Science Media Centre (SMC) offered to journalists (and any citizen scientists too busy or too lacking in confidence to make their own critical appraisals) a briefing on cognitive behavior therapy .

    I offer a quick critical appraisal of the “three top experts” advertised as giving an honest appraisal.

    I conclude that what would be offered is highly biased. Any organization making claims that such an evaluation is trustworthy is itself untrustworthy. Please read on and decide if you agree with me.

    Meta-lesson: When you encounter a source that screams to you that it is trustworthy, maybe you should be particularly skeptical and simply move on to alternative sources[/QUOTE]
     
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  16. user9876

    user9876 Senior Member

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    Wessely is one of the directors of the SMC https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07560997/officers
     
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  17. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards "Gibberish"

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    Funny, I thought I had discovered that in fact it is buffaloes that have wings, but then I haven't seen a chicken in a while.

    More seriously, I think you have the nub here. It has all been about jobs for the 'therapists'.
     
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  18. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member

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    Wouldn't you just love to clone David Tuller and seed the audience with the clones. Oh and tape it too.:D
     
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  19. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    Uh huh, I know. It's been orchestrated for a long long time. I wonder how much money has been passed under the table, and how deep the corruption.

    Remember what happened to Jonathan Kerr?
     
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    daisybell Senior Member

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    You can buy the t-shirt for this too.....!
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