Rod Liddle 2nd ME article in The Spectator ‘The ME lobby is just a symptom of our stupidity about me

[msf]

Rod Liddle is a tabloid journalist trapped in political weekly editor´s job.

 

[halcyon]

I've never heard of Morgellons disease - so thanks to Rod for bringing this to our attention

You must have missed the Andrew Scull hate piece on Medscape a while back then where he equated it with ME and both with hysteria. It's been heavily edited but it still highly offensive.

 

[Wildcat]

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Oh Yes, thanks to Rod for inciting the Mob against us yet again.
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[JayS]

To be honest I'm not always crazy about seeing people react the way I feel I was forced to react to this. Seems whiny at times, depending on the situation. With the crap we're absurdly plastered with, I decided to make sure this wouldn't just disappear.

https://twitter.com/ssppeerroo/status/662511652638732288

I don't take it that seriously. Just a troll. But, hey. 'Death threats' meme gets spun in a nasty campaign against us. Rocket scientist publishes two hit pieces saying we're the ones who are irrational psych cases who harass people...and do things like...issue death threats.

The irony is rich, really.

I tweeted again, just to show that this person hit & run with a few nasty comments--ironic, again, because it shows someone doing almost exactly what we're accused of.

https://twitter.com/ssppeerroo/status/662512962779947008

I was discussing this with someone on Twitter who advised 'don't feed the trolls.' Well, I certainly wouldn't advise responding to this person. But the more of this stuff they do, while denouncing us for allegedly doing what they're actually doing, the more people may just take notice.

 

[CantThink]

To be honest I'm not always crazy about seeing people react the way I feel I was forced to react to this. Seems whiny at times, depending on the situation. With the crap we're absurdly plastered with, I decided to make sure this wouldn't just disappear.

https://twitter.com/ssppeerroo/status/662511652638732288

I don't take it that seriously. Just a troll. But, hey. 'Death threats' meme gets spun in a nasty campaign against us. Rocket scientist publishes two hit pieces saying we're the ones who are irrational psych cases who harass people...and do things like...issue death threats.

The irony is rich, really.

I tweeted again, just to show that this person hit & run with a few nasty comments--ironic, again, because it shows someone doing almost exactly what we're accused of.

https://twitter.com/ssppeerroo/status/662512962779947008

I was discussing this with someone on Twitter who advised 'don't feed the trolls.' Well, I certainly wouldn't advise responding to this person. But the more of this stuff they do, while denouncing us for allegedly doing what they're actually doing, the more people may just take notice.

It was probably Rod posing under a moniker/alias... sounds angry & ranty like him. I mean why does this person even care...

 

[Ecoclimber]

Interesting tweet from Sir Simon on Liddle that there was a deliberate strategy between them to shock and awe...where have I heard that refrain before?

Simon Wessely ‏@WesselyS 4h4 hours ago
Rod Liddle's latest piece on #CFS in Spectator is designed to shock but doesn't awe and needed fact checking. Not helpful

Simon Wessely blog @Mentalelf: I will argue that the HMS PACE did make it successfully across the Atlantic.

I differ

I will argue that the HMS PACE did Not make it successfully across the Atlantic!

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[SilverbladeTE]

HMS PACE?
I'd torpedo the bastard!

 

[Sasha]

Interesting tweet from Sir Simon on Liddle that there was a deliberate strategy between them to shock and awe...where have I heard that refrain before?

I'm afraid I have to disagree there, Eco - I don't think it says anything of the kind. It doesn't say or imply that SW had any hand in its design.

Simon Wessely says enough stupid things about the PACE trial that we don't need to make things up about him.

Simon Wessely ‏@WesselyS 4h4 hours ago
Rod Liddle's latest piece on #CFS in Spectator is designed to shock but doesn't awe and needed fact checking. Not helpful

 

[Ecoclimber]

@Sasha You misunderstood. I was NOT referring in anyway, SW's involvement in the PACE trial nor its design but to the disasterously malicious hit piece on this patient population which this thread references. His tweet came out today after Liddle's second article in the Spectator yesterday which I believe he was referencing. I added the graphic and comment in addition based on the news of today on releasing the hidden datasets.

I cannot believe the timing of all these articles in various news media outlets in response to Tueller's and Coyne response to the Pace Trial is not a co-ordinated effort among those vested in the Pace trial which would require significant amount of communication among all those researchers. History on the Pace Trial has proved otherwise.

 

[worldbackwards]

@Sasha You misunderstood. I was NOT referring anyway, SW's involvement in the PACE trial nor its design but to the disasterously malicious hit piece on this patient population which this thread references. His tweet came out today after Liddle's second article in the Spectator yesterday which I believe he was referencing.

No, I think she's caught you right. There's no implication in that tweet that Wessely had a hand in the article. To say it's designed to shock is just stating the obvious.

 

[Sasha]

@Sasha You misunderstood. I was NOT referring in anyway, SW's involvement in the PACE trial nor its design but to the disasterously malicious hit piece on this patient population which this thread references.

I didn't think you were, Eco - but I think you were saying that the tweet showed the SW worked with Liddle to design Liddle's article and there's nothing in the tweet that suggests that. I think you're misreading the tweet.

 

[worldbackwards]

This is from a previous occasion (I'd hesitate to say "last time") but the author has just tweeted it again:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jason-reed/rod-liddle-and-me_b_1235199.html

 

[Ecoclimber]

There have been calls for SW to disa

This is from a previous occasion (I'd hesitate to say "last time") but the author has just tweeted it again:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jason-reed/rod-liddle-and-me_b_1235199.html

Inexcusable tabloid journalism! Calls have been made for SW to disavow the article since he is mentioned in the article. There have been comments instigated by this piece for patients to be 'put down'. Is it not a requirement for a journalist to contact SW since his name, the PACE trial and the patient population will be associated with such an article before publishing? How could SW have known that the intention of the author's article was designed to shock. I can see how one can state the fact that it was his own impression from reading the article. But you have to also take into consideration, the co-ordinated attack by the principals of the PACE trial and their ilk to paint those within the patient community who disagree with the PACE trial results with a broad brush of militancy, crazies, vexatious and other disparaging and demeaning remarks.

At this time I will agree to disagree. That's all I am going to comment on this as it being taken off course. I will be off of here for awhile so I will not be commenting further on this topic unless other revelations come to light. Thx for the article. I can imagine a backpedaling of sorts by Liddle.

Fraser Nelson ‏@FraserNelson Nov 3
@CoyneoftheRealm ur tweet embodied the problem of CFS trolls.A plague on the majority in CFS community who try to make calm, rational points

 

[Richie]

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I suspect that Wessely and Sharpe etc welcome the extreme articles in the media right now. What Michael Sharpe did was to be interviewed by a journalist and publicly correct the articles that say 'CFS' is not real and that all that's needed to recover is exercise and positivity. So then Sharpe sounded reasonable and moderate by comparison, whilst claiming the moral high ground, whilst praising PACE CBT/GET. . Crafty.
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My thoughts exactly

 

[Richie]

Rod is right too much stupidity about mental illness and ME.
While wanting to bracket us as mentally ill, they show an attitude to our "mental" illness which is light years behind that shown to other, indisputably mental illnesses.
If I had primary depression I would be able to talk with a good psychiatrist about psychogenic causes, neurotransmitters, neuroimmune factors, brain entrainment, inflammation, infection.With a good one, of course. Same kind of chat we could get from decent ME specialists, before they gat banned.
With a psychiatric expert in ME I might get "How do you feel after your short walk?" A truly stupid attitude.

 

[sianrecovery]

Rod Liddle hasn't hesitated to attack rape victims, single mothers on benefit and other 'soft' targets...in fact, I would say being the attackee in a Liddle piece is a kind of compliment. I can't think of one person I know of in the media industry who regards him as anything other than a ridiculous buffoon.
So I say - WHATEVER Rod. Whatever pathetic tactic you are using to get column inches this week. The sounds and fury signifies nothing....