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Reverse Mitochondrial Damage 101

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by Radio, Feb 11, 2014.

  1. Radio

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    Sure, I can tell you what worked for me in a private conversation.
     
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    How do I do that, I'm very new to this site :0)
     
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    If you look at its ingredients on the nutricology website here, you see that it does not tell you how much NT Factor is in each capsule (each capsule contains NT Factor Blend 1.3 grams, but how much NT factor is actually in that blend?).
     
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    @Radio I have been taking 3 scoops (= 3 x 1.4 grams) daily of the NT Factor EnergyLipids Powder for three days now.

    On the second day, although my sleep was a little restless, on waking up I noticed some general improvements from the NT Factor: I felt more calm, more content, and I felt like I was moving away from the ME/CFS of mind, and towards the normal state of mind I used to have before I developed ME/CFS. I felt more sociable and talkative than usual, for one thing, and my sound sensitivity was much reduced. So I was quite optimistic that NT Factor was already working.

    However, on waking up on the third day (today) of taking NT factor, I felt much worse than normal: I felt an increased in mental numbness, and I felt pretty "spaced out" and unable to focus well mentally. Furthermore, my sound sensitivity and general sensitivity to stimuli were increased, and I found sounds and visual stimuli sort of strangely jolted my mind in a mildly perturbing manner, in a way that reminded me a bit of the anxiety psychosis states I used to get several years ago. I also felt much less sociable. I generally was in an unpleasant and weird state.

    So all the gains I made on the second day were reversed by the third day.

    After going for a brisk walk today, things improved a bit.


    Did you get any bad days like this when you first started taking NT Factor? Did you get these "spaced out" and mental numbness states?
     
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    Hey Hip,

    Yes, I had good and bad days before I started getting better. The key for me was eating a super clean anti-inflammatory diet and staying hydrated. If it was me I would add ginkgo biloba to help increase blood flow to the brain.
     
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    Mitochondria Recovery Protocol 4 / 1 / 14

    Radio: These are the supplements I'm using for lipid therapy and mitochondrial support.

    Nt Factors™ Energy Lipid Powder 150 Grams



    PureFormulas
    $44.15

    Amazon price US $47.76

    iHerb are charging $70.66


    BodyBio PC $61.44

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001169CF6...=UTF8&colid=STE6K5DNMJYK&coliid=IJ444PD8I5XBI

    Enzymatic Therapy, B12 Infusion, Energy

    http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-B12-Infusion-Energy-30-Chewable-Tablets/2119#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=b12 methylcobalamin&rc=446&sr=null&ic=15

    Joint Pain Relief 24/7 Topical D-Glucosamine Sulfate and Chondroitin Sulfate Patches

    http://www.amazon.com/Topical-D-Glucosamine-Sulfate-Chondroitin-Patches/dp/B00G4EBZAU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396313249&sr=8-1&keywords=sulfate patches

    Pure Encapsulations, O.N.E Multivitamin
    ( http://www.iherb.com/Pure-Encapsula...min-With-Metafolin-L-5-MTHF-60-Capsules/52461 ) $32.20


    Life Extension, Pantothenic Acid Vitamin B-5, 500 mg $7.88
    http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Pantothenic-Acid-Vitamin-B-5-500-mg-100-Capsules/4902#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=vitamin b 5&rc=9957&sr=null&ic=1

    Source Naturals, Coenzymated B-3, Sublingual, 25 mg $13.16

    http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Coenzymated-B-3-Sublingual-25-mg-60-Tablets/1039#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=NAD,&rc=60&sr=null&ic=1

    Now Foods, Melatonin, 3 mg, 180 Capsules $7.64
    http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Melatonin-3-mg-180-Capsules/328#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=melatonin sleep adhd&rc=217&sr=null&ic=1

    A.C. Grace Company, Unique E, 30 Softgels $9.56

    http://www.iherb.com/A-C-Grace-Company-Unique-E-30-Softgels/8627#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=Unique E&rc=756&sr=null&ic=2

    Jarrow Formulas, CarnitAll 600+, 90 Veggie Caps $18.82

    http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-CarnitAll-600-90-Veggie-Caps/4330#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=l carnitine 600&rc=707&sr=null&ic=1

    Life Extension Super Ubiquniol Coq10 With BioPQQ $40.50

    http://www.iherb.com/Life-Extension-Super-Ubiquinol-CoQ10-with-BioQQ-100-mg-30-Softgels/50706#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=Extension Super Ubiquniol Coq10 With BioPQQ&rc=7&sr=null&ic=1
     
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    I see. The ARG formula has 4grams of 'blend' compared to NutriCology's 1.3grams. I have emailed ARG to find out how much NT is in their blend and I will post back here when/if they reply.
     
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    Is there a reason you don't recommend D-Ribose in your mitochondrial repair?
     
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    I've also just seen that it has to be the straight powder :rolleyes: never mind.
     
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    What us wrong with taking just straight up phosphatidylcholine?
     
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    I did not benefit from D-ribose. Dr. Sarah Myhill noted that taking D-ribose depend on the condition of the digestive system. She said that if the digestive system is fermentative that is, dominated by dysbiotic bacteria that ferment foods, D-ribose will not be helpful and in fact will feed these dysbiotic bacteria.
     
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    I have tried everything...NT Factor and BodyBio PC are the most beneficial. Please watch this video...

     
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    @Radio do you still continue to take these 2 supplements now that you are well?
     
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    Yes, I like BodyBio PC more and more these days. I actually ran as fast as could yesterday with out being sore the next day.
     
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    @Radio have they changed the name for the BodyBio PC? One site says, BodyBio PC/ELyte and the other just BodyBio PC. The description is the same and so is the price so I'm assuming it's the same product. thanks
     
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    @Radio, I'm just watching the vid. I settled on taking choline as choline bitartrate. I notice that my compounding chemist sells this form. I've spent time trying to understand the differences between choline and phosphotidyl choline, but haven't really seen anything to suggest I'm taking the wrong sort. Do you have some understanding of this? thanks, ahmo
     
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    BodyBio PC is the real deal...
     
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    Same product as far as I know...

     
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    I've just gotten to the end of the vid. There's the image of all the pc brands I've rejected in my decision to go w/ choline bitartrate. AND, the info that excess choline is damaging. You and this vid have convinced me, I'm on to Amazon to order BodyBio.

    BTW, I also had problems w/ D Ribose. First, I took too much, my fault, racing heart, awful. Later, I think it contributed to a toxic response I had, which was precipitated by using denatured whey for glutathione. I've never added it back. Thanks for this great info.:thumbsup:
     

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