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Researchers personal motivations

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Persimmon, Apr 7, 2012.

  1. Persimmon

    Persimmon Senior Member

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    From what I've read, each of the following ME/CFS researchers became involved as a direct consequence of personal experience. Maybe the list is incomplete?

    Martin Lerner
    - Contracted ME/CFS himself
    Leonard Jason
    - Contracted it himself
    Fred Friedberg
    - Contracted it himself
    Byron Hyde
    - His daughter contracted it
    Lucinda Bateman
    - Her sister contracted what appeared to be ME/CFS (was it?)
    John Chia
    - His son contracted it (aged 14)
    Kenneth Friedman
    - His daughter contracted it (aged 17)

    It's perhaps not coincidental that this list includes some of the most important and the most outspoken of ME/CFS researchers.

    I suspect that for most diseases, the proportion of researchers motivated by personal experience would be far lower.
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  2. Jenny

    Jenny Senior Member

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    Raymond Perrin (osteopath)
    - wife had it - also was treating someone for a back problem with lymphatic drainage massage and ME symptoms improved

    Andrew Wright - friend had it

    Derek Enlander - friend had it
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  3. Boule de feu

    Boule de feu Senior Member

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    What is the story behind
    Dr. Myhill?
    Dr. Montoya?
    Rich Vank?
  4. Enid

    Enid Senior Member

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    Many more exposed to outbreaks in their professional capacities and ceased to give up on a recogniseable illness perhaps.
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    SOC Moderator and Senior Member

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    I don't know about "many", but that certainly applies to Dr Petersen and Dr Bell.
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  6. maryb

    maryb iherb code TAK122

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    Dr Myhill had it. Dr Andy Wright had it too.
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    KDM, his daughter has had it for more than 12 years
  8. Persimmon

    Persimmon Senior Member

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    Don't know about the others, but Dr Montoya was apparently motivated by clinical experience.
    He made this statement last year:
    I think that we often forget why we went into medicine. We didnt go to medicine for fame or money; we went to medicine because of the internal drive to decrease suffering in people, and thats - what actually led me to join the challenge of trying to understand what CFS was, was seeing patients that were showing up in the offices at Stanford..."

    If I understand correctly, clinicians at Stanford were barred from having ME/CFS patients prior to 2004. I presume it was Dr Montoya who got this policy changed, as he was treating patients for ME/CFS by February 2004. Is anyone able to confirm / correct this?

    ******

    Does anyone know about Tony Komaroff?
    (Was he already interested prior to his initial contact with Petersen & Chaney?)

    Does anyone know about Nancy Klimas?

    Does anyone know about Malcolm Hooper?
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  9. Boule de feu

    Boule de feu Senior Member

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    Thank you for this thread. It's very interesting.
  10. Persimmon

    Persimmon Senior Member

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    UPDATED LIST:

    (1.) Initially Motivated by Personal Experience:
    Martin Lerner
    - Contracted ME/CFS himself
    Leonard Jason
    - Contracted it himself
    Fred Friedberg
    - Contracted it himself
    Sarah Myhill
    - Contracted it herself
    Byron Hyde
    - His daughter contracted it
    Lucinda Bateman
    - Her sister contracted what appeared to be ME/CFS (was it?)
    John Chia
    - His son contracted it (aged 14)
    Kenneth Friedman
    - His daughter contracted it (aged 17)
    Kenny de Meirleir
    - His daughter contracted it
    Derek Enlander
    - A childhood friend contracted it & asked him to help

    (2.) Initially Motivated by Clinical Experience
    Jose Montoya (sporadic cases at Stanford clinic)
    David Bell (Lyndonville outbreak)
    Dan Petersen (Incline Village outbreak)
    Paul Chaney (Incline Village outbreak)
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  11. usedtobeperkytina

    usedtobeperkytina Senior Member

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    According

    According to Osler's Web and her own descriptions, Dr. Klimas had a patient come in one day who had been to many physicians. She had doctors suggest all kinds of cra_y things. The lady asked that Klimas check her immune system. Klimas tried to brush her off, suggest she see another physician. Lady pleaded.

    So, Klimas ran some tests. She was researching AIDS at the time, so the lab she used did very thorough tests that even other immunologists weren't running. The lab worker called Klimas back and told the results. It was opposite of AIDS, that is the part of immune system that in AIDS is down was high in this patient and vice versa. Klimas told the lady that she couldn't say what she had, but it was an immune system problem. How Klimas connected it to CFS or what other clinicians were seeing, I don't know. But, her interest started then and has not waned since. Of course, once word got out, she was flooded with patients.
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  12. usedtobeperkytina

    usedtobeperkytina Senior Member

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    Also, according to Osler's Web, Komaroff got interested by seeing it in his practice. But I don't recall the details.

    Tina
  13. usedtobeperkytina

    usedtobeperkytina Senior Member

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    As for Dr. Bateman, yes, her sister had ME/CFS. Her sister later developed lymphoma. And her sister died in something connected to the lymphoma. Forgive me, as my memory is not clear on the details. I don't want to put out something inaccurate, even if I say I am not sure. I think I remember the connection, but I am not sure. So I won't say. But it was connected to lymphoma.
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    Heroes

    I would like to say that I really appreciate these physicians who have made great sacrifice for us as a result of having personal experience with the disease. We need them, and it is not easy.

    But I think the heroes are those who have no personal gain and yet still choose the difficult road of caring for ME/CFS patients and researching this disease.

    The costs are enormous: sneers from peers, low income because our visits take so long, obstacles to get research money, and then obstacles to get it published, and much more.

    Dr. Peterson had to deal with damage to his car and bad talk from his town and peers in the town. It was so much, Cheney left, only to find ME/CFS patients flocked to him in North Carolina.

    These are heroes, martyrs by choice.

    I hope one day that someone will do a movie on this. I think the story should tell it from Dr. Peterson's point of view. His life story would be fascinating.

    Tina
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    Hi, Bdf.

    A friend of my wife and myself at the church we were attending developed CFS (about 15 years ago). That's what got me started.

    Rich
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    Just like to say thanks to them all - particularly for the abuse and ignorance they have had to suffer.
  17. Boule de feu

    Boule de feu Senior Member

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    Thank you for this precision, Rich.
    It is interesting to see why some researchers are so motivated
    in figuring out what CFS is. Thank you for your work! :)
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  18. Boule de feu

    Boule de feu Senior Member

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    This lady should be commended for her effort. She should get a medal for being so persistent.
    I wish I would have her drive and stop doubting that what I have is very serious.
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    Dr Jamie Deckoff-Jones - had it herself (not completely recovered but able to see patients now) and daughter had it too (not completely recovered either but much better)
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    This pattern of most of the specialists having an interest in ME/CFS also follows with the less known ones as well.

    One of my CFS specialists had it himself (he's now deceased, he was elderly when I saw him) and Ive heard about another dr in my state which many ME/CFS ones see, which also has a personal connection to this illness (it was either herself or her child who had it)

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