New Atmosphere, New Vision: Gibson and Whittemore Kick Off Invest in ME Conference 2016
Mark Berry reports on Dr. Gibson's introduction and Dr. Whittemore's keynote speech, at the 11th Invest in ME International ME Conference in London.
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  1. justy

    justy Donate Advocate Demonstrate

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    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160126130134.htm

     
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    A.B. Senior Member

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    Wessely tried to cover this up with his psychobabble.

    PS: he claimed that fear of chemical exposure created symptoms of chemical exposure through a psychosomatic mechanism. It's funny how a supposed mental health expert writes batshit crazy things.
     
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  3. John Mac

    John Mac Senior Member

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    Exactly
    Which is why it's nice to read in the report:

    "The report makes clear that psychiatric problems "have been ruled out" as a cause of Gulf War Illness, noting that Gulf War veterans have lower rates of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and other psychiatric disorders than their counterparts who served in other wars."
     
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    http://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-a...ing-borrowed-something-blue-the-true-story-of

    So they were traumatized because they heard too much about dangerous chemicals.

    and have cognitive problems due to depression.

    they feel sick but objective testing does not show anything wrong = another way of saying all in the mind.

    the media is making us anxious.

    People lost their job and began to somatize. The bio-psycho-social model is important.

    That is the BIO.

    PSYCHO

    SOCIAL

    Summary of his cryptic speech:

    GWS is a bio-psycho-social illness. Not a real illness.

    Soldiers got anthrax vaccines. That was the bio. Then they had psychological trauma from hearing too much about biological weapons. That is the psycho. Then they lost their job and status and the sick role enabled them to have a new role in society. That is the social.
     
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  5. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member

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    Well, in the Camelford poisoning case, Wessely didn't deny that there had been an exposure. But he said the symtoms weren't caused by the chemicals, but by the fear of having symptoms because of the polution.

    In this talk, he uses the same sick argument about exposure to chemicals during Gulf War.

    As he doesn't deny the implication of a virus in the onset of MECFS, but the perpetuation of the illness is only due to faulse illness beliefs.

    I hope it will all end up with excuses like in the case of the Camelford poisoning, but white whasher Wessely will always find a way out.
     
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  6. SilverbladeTE

    SilverbladeTE Senior Member

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    All proof that Wessely is either:
    ~demented, in which case he should accept he is unfit to practice medicine and stand down, or be struck off by the GMC.
    ~grotesquely egomaniacal and refusing to accept scientific fact, and thus criminally irresponsible towards *hundreds of thousands if not millions of patients* (250,000 ME patients in U.K. plus many other similar health problems, and his influence affects lot of the English speaking world)
    ~or a mouthpiece for political/corporate masters wanting problems "covered up", in which case he is *evil* (hey, have a look at who gets "honours" in the UK) .


    over all the CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY to prevent acceptance, research and treatment of these illness is *GENOCIDE*
    and should be dealt with as such, by seizure and arrest of all those involved and their data and riches bought at the cost of vast human suffering and death.
    And put a death warrant on any of the scum who escape to non-extradition countries
    hey if we drop drone missiles on terrorist vermin (and lots of innocent folk!), these "denial" bastards, be they crooked researchers or their political/corporate/banking masters who really fuel the whole thing, should be hunted down like the monsters they are. Terrorists are penny ante small timers compared to these bastards!
     
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  7. Mark

    Mark Former CEO

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    More accurately, he said that it would be impossible to demonstrate scientifically that the symptoms were caused by the chemicals, because somebody (him, or one of his followers) would be able to argue that any harmful consequences could have been caused by the knowledge that they'd been polluted and the stress that caused them, rather than the exposure itself. Sick, and dumb, but he and others continue to get away with it...
     
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    Chrisb Senior Member

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    When the cost benefit analysis comes to be run I am sure he will think it was all worthwhile.
     
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    Cheshire Senior Member

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    Even more twisted, he strongly implies something, without openly dismissing another option so as to have an open door in a corner of the room.
    He can't lose, we can hardly win.
     
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  10. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    Wessely always washes whiter? Than White?

    Sorry.
     
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  11. SilverbladeTE

    SilverbladeTE Senior Member

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    yeah he ALWAYS does that!
    always put's a "fudge" in so he has a "get out of jail free" card

    "I'm just a physician who means the best for patients! I am sorry that I was wrong but I sincerely believed my position, m'lord!"
    he'd say at a criminal trial.
    Slicker than Teflon snake shit and ten times as nasty!
     
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    I would love to see him use this argument on cigarette smoking. The man is just a complete moron, not even a bit of a moron, or halfway to being a moron - he is a fully qualified completed moron.
     
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    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    i don't know if he is a moron. If you read carefully you can see that he knows very well what he is doing. I don't think that his double-speak is a coincidence.

    People who fall for it might be morons or maybe just overly trusting or uninformed.

    He reminds me more of a politician or defense lawyer than a researcher.
     
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  15. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    Here is his take on the Camelford poisoning.
     
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  16. Mark

    Mark Former CEO

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    Have you tried using an Adblocker (e.g. as plugin to Firefox), disabling Flash and (if necessary) Javascript for that site? Likely that would fix that problem, and should also be a solution for any other sites where you have the same problem.
     
  17. Mark

    Mark Former CEO

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    I've thought for a long time that this report is the Rosetta Stone for understanding where Wessely is coming from. There's a clear pattern to the areas he gets involved in, and the patterns of suffering he (vaguely) attributes to psychological causes...
     
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    I understand that there's some tussle over what a new IOM report on gulf war syndrome will say about this sort of thing. This new release could be a part of that.
     
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    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    @Mark
    Thanks for the suggestions. I really would like to be able to access the site. I have almost a religious devotion to adblocking etc but I'm unsure as to Javascript and flash part. Will have a look.
     
  20. GreyOwl

    GreyOwl Dx: strong belief system, avoidance, hypervigilant

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    This is personal for me.

    (I believe) GWI provides a pharmacological model of ME/CFS, so SW's puppeteers will give anything for him to (continue to) discredit it. Unfortunately, a pharmacological model will show the BPS model of many "MU" diseases as the BS it is.

    Edit: Unfortunately for SW, not us.
     
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