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REM Sleep

Discussion in 'Sleep' started by CreativeB, May 18, 2018 at 8:07 AM.

  1. CreativeB

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    Hello everyone

    I'm just back from seeing a sleep specialist. I'd been sent for an in-depth sleep study and got the results back. The doctor has said I don't have a sleep disorder - definitely ruled out sleep apnoea.

    He did say that my REM sleep is off. I'm only showing one instance of REM sleep. He said that this is a symptom of something else - most likely CFS.

    I haven't been given any suggestions on how to deal with this so would appreciate any insight.
     
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  2. Shoshana

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    That is so interesting, @CreativeB
    Thank you for sharing about it.

    I am in a crash and cannot think of anything else to say at this moment.
    Will be interesting to see other responses.

    I sure could use some REM sleep. ;)
     
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  3. CreativeB

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    Thanks @Shoshana. Im sorry you're experiencing a crash right now. Hope you recover soon. I had to go to bed once I got home :eek:

    Take care @Shoshana :D
     
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    My good doc mentioned using 1-2 mg of sinequan (doxepin) to restore stage 4 sleep. (1-2mg is a very low dose.)

    I finally got diagnosed with sleep apnea, and treatment is helping, so I haven't needed it to try it.
     
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    @Shoshana - I hope you recover quickly.

    @CreativeB - Some medications can interfere with REM sleep.
     
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  6. CreativeB

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    @Diwi9 I'm not taking any medication but thanks for that

    Thanks @caledonia. I'll look into that- or would I need a prescription?
     
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  7. CreativeB

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    Just checked out the details online. I have high pressure in my eyes so idont think I could take it because of the risk of glaucoma :vomit:
     
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    I thought Stage 4 is slow wave sleep, not REM? If you are looking for slow wave sleep, gabapentin can increase it too.
     
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  9. CreativeB

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    I'm not sure. The specialist said REM stage
     
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  10. caledonia

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    Yes, you would need a doc to prescribe it for you.
     
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  11. CreativeB

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    I'll be seeing my gp to discuss the results once she gets through.
     
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    Assuming that REM and dreams are associated then I was able to increase my REM sleep/dreams by adding 60mg of CoQ10 and a supplement called Sleep Thru to my usual melatonin at night. Before that, no matter which sleep supplements I tried, I rarely dreamed.
     
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  14. caledonia

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    Just wanted to make sure you're doing sleep hygiene regarding light and EMFs. These can disrupt melatonin production.

    So basically, get off all screens by 7 or 8 pm or so. That would be computers, phones, laptops, ipads, and possibly also television. Get rid of any "daylight" bulbs. All of these things emit blue light which tells your body to wake up. Your body expects amber light in the evening to feel sleepy and go to sleep. Don't have a cell phone or wifi in your bedroom.

    Block all sources of light in your bedroom such as street lights coming in through the window, alarm clock, little power lights from other electronic devices. A sleep mask can be helpful. It should be so dark you can't see your hand in front of your face.

    If noise bothers you, use ear plugs.

    Get some actual outside daylight in the morning. This is the time your body expects blue light. This helps reinforce the circadian cycle.

    You can go even further with EMF mitigation if you think it might help, such as turning off your wifi router at night, or stop using a the wifi portion of your router altogether and hook up devices with an ethernet cable, turning off the circuit breaker to your bedroom at night, etc.
     
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  15. CreativeB

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    @caledonia, thanks. Have a blue light filter turned on on my phone all the time. It helps reduce migraines. I don't have a computer etc in the bedroom and my phone is left in another room. I tried an eye mask but I keep taking it off, but I'll try again and persevere. I don't have an alarm at the side of my bed ... my phone does that ... forces me to get up - otherwise I can turn off the alarm in my sleep.

    I've also been taking magnesium baths
     
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    Magnesium baths are good.

    I have my alarm all the way across the room for the same reason. :)

    I've tried eye masks too, and didn't like the pressure on my face, plus they get dislodged. Instead, I use a t-shirt draped across my eyes. It's not perfect - I end up losing it sometimes and I have to reposition it whenever I turn over, but it's the best thing I've found so far.
     
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