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Reconstructing the Meaning Effect-The Capacity to Self-Heal Emerges From Placebo Concept incl. CFS

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  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    Dolphin Senior Member

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    For what it's worth, this has a section on CFS:

    I imagine these are self-report measures. Some people saying on one or more questionnaires they feel a bit better because they believe they are having a therapy is a lot different from the same number having objective improvements. Also, some results can change over time for all sorts of unconnected reasons.
     
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  3. Roy S

    Roy S former DC ME/CFS lobbyist

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    the decisive variable was not whether they were treated but whether they believed they were treated and received healing,
     
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    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    I just can't keep up with all this. I need to go and lie down again.
     
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    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    Awesome. Wonder if it means anything? I'm thinking not.
     
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    Reads smug, somehow. Like they were impressed with their own profundity. I got really good in high school annoying my teachers with a similar tone.

    Do they qualify "strong improvements"? What is the scale? So 92% did NOT have a strong improvement? Would it be fair to qualify 92% as the overwhelming majority? So the "analyzing all those patients" reduces to analyzing the very few who reported meaningful improvement. Could be 8% of respondents just felt badly for the people running the study, and tried to throw them a bone....
     
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    8% of patients that accepted to participate in such a loosy study, what conclusion can one draw from that?
     
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    I wonder if the group that had strong improvements, really had me/cfs?

    Barb
     
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    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    Yeah, it's a bit like the "take up thy bed and walk" crowd from the Lightning Process, isn't it.
     
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    Right, this study shows that self-report measures can be strongly biased in the absence of an underlying treatment effect.

    If this wasn't published in an obscure journal, I'd probably write a Pubmed comment... Sigh.
     

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