Invest in ME Conference 12: First Class in Every Way
OverTheHills wraps up our series of articles on this year's 12th Invest in ME International Conference (IIMEC12) in London with some reflections on her experience as a patient attending the conference for the first time.
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Recommended book: Wings of Death by Chris Busby (Radiation)

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by SilverbladeTE, Jan 18, 2014.

  1. heavy going, factual about how the governments, industry AND science establishment have been lying out their arse and/or just plain blind to the actual risks caused by nuclear contamination, especially the atmospheric nuclear tests of 50s and 60s
    Interesting factoid: approx. 77,000 excess neonatal deaths in US as a "bump" in such in many countries followed the wave of nuke tests.
    yet folk go off their head about abortion and miss this....

    he notes near beginning great rise in autoimmune diseases, "including MS and ME"

    most nukes were detonated high above ground, called "self cleaning" as they spread their fallout so high little would fall to earth...instead it was spread all across the entire world where rain would wash it into our bodies one day. Rates of cancer are still spiralling, and governments etc still lie about it.

    problem in part is that the standard way of *official" thinking is that such risks from very tiny amounts of these particles cannot be more than the risk from the background Radiation we all get exposed ot and always have.
    Wrong, we do not INGEST the "background radiation" and these fallout products are beta and alpha emitters which cause severe damage to cells next to them, and they "Mimic" other elements that our bodies wrongly think are calcium ro such, and deposit them in our bones, thyroid and so on.

    I wonder if this is part of the "Glasgow issue" that is a concern in public health, Glasgow has inexplicably higher level of cancer and health problems than lifestyle or poor diet etc can explain...but it also has very high rainfall, so it's reservoirs would likely have been heavily dosed during the bomb test period, AND by the horrible bloody monstrosity: Sellafield.


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  2. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

    Logan, Queensland, Australia

    According to Wikipedia , which is not a great source but convenient, there were three nuclear test sites in Australia, in 1952 in Western Australia, and 1953 at Emu Field in South Australia, and at Maralinga in South Australia from 1956 - 1963.

    Unfortunately the two big ME outbreaks here were in South Australia, Adelaide, in I think 1948 and 1949. However this is also after the first nuclear tests and the two nuclear attacks in Japan that ended World War 2 in the Pacific.

    There was also an outbreak in Western Australia though, but I do not recall the year.

    Superficially the lack of epidemiology data showing increased cancer in ME (aside from Lymphoma which we are at increased risk for) discredits this theory with respect to ME. However there are no controls ... any control would have absorbed the same radiation. So it could easily be the case that just as only some will get cancer from radiation, only some will get ME. Marty Pall has discussed Post Radiation Syndrome, and shown how similar it is to CFS.

    Now to find the date of the Western Australian outbreak ...

    PS Where does the 1934 Los Angeles outbreak fit? Clearly, if radiation is involved, its a background risk factor, not a direct cause in many cases.

    PPS One list of outbreaks is here:

    The Western Australia outbreaks appear to be 1955. It appears to be between the 1952 and 1953 testing areas.

    It is interesting though that ME outbreaks seemed to end .. just as above ground nuclear tests ended. However there was something like a two decade gap between the two.

    I also note that many current outbreaks, which are in many ways indistinguishable, go by the name of the pathogen, such as Post Q Fever and Post SARS. So did outbreaks really end, or did we just label them with known pathogens?
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  3. oh I wouldn't think radiation is the singular cause or probably not even a major risk, merely an increased risk factor

    person who's body is being damaged by fallout particles maybe more susceptible to infection, infection triggers M.E.
    likewise a person who's body is being affected by toxins: pesticides, heavy metals, mould, well any more damage on top wouldn't help as said on other thread, synergies can be a real bugger, but calculating them for REAL effect? ye gods, massive headaches that is, complexity and probabilities out the ass :/

    also, all this excess radiation increases rates of mutation which are usually "lethal" for complex life forms, but for single cell ones their massive rate of replication means eventual resistance to it and increased mutations = more infections.


  6. grrr, can't find specific info on one I was looking for that I'd read before, was a nuke test, not American, was French or British , Pacific, that heavily contaminated a lagoon so badly it was years before (military) divers were permitted to work in it for essential construction/repair and even then only for short times
  7. JT1024

    JT1024 Senior Member

    Here is a private organization that is not tied to government (HHS/CDC/NIH/etc) or lobby groups (CAA, etc) who have come out to say ionizing radiation is THE cause of ME/CFS.

    I always wondered why Rich Von K was so interested in ME/CFS given his lifelong career in physics/nuclear waste disposal. I don't think it was coincidental. Rich was a phenomenally intelligent and compassionate man. I suspect he knew far more than he was able to tell us.
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  8. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

    Logan, Queensland, Australia
    Bikini Atol?
  9. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

    Logan, Queensland, Australia
    Rich, Marty and I were online debating partners for years. Marty also discussed Post Radiation Syndrome is his book. I do not recall Rich even suggesting a radiation link, but then again if such a link existed and he was careful I probably would not have picked up on it - or maybe I just forgot.
  10. Alex
    Bikini was American, the Baker test there, 2nd test in the area, was a disaster, first "dirty" bomb, by accident.

    No one I'm thinking of was French or British, pretty sure it was French maybe their first h bomb test? read so much and memory banks ain't what they were :p

    and like Baker test British 1st bomb test was also "dirty", much as they may deny it, as it was about testing the threat of a smuggled bomb in a ship, which Baker test proved would be horrendously effective.

    and the loony French tests on muraroa atoll, ye GODS, what IMEBCILE came up with that, atolls are coral atop volcanic plugs, coral is fragile, alkaline, so the bomb tests cracked it, causing at least one tsunami collapse

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