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Sam7777

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@Sushi

The below quotes are from a personal account of the recovery of an individual who had severe CFS/ME. This is a series of conversations between he and I (He is 'B' and I am 'H P' and a group from a mercury detox group. He speculates heavy vaccine damage, and did not have amalgams. But he had thallium toxicity as well. He also had to take, and did benefit from, methylation supplements.

I wanted to share this in lieu of what I recently learned about the supplement TUDCA. This is also the most important conversation about mercury detox I've encountered the last two years because it raises many direct questions about the efficacy of different protocols (Cutler, vs. Shade, etc). It had spurred me to learn quite a bit about R lipoic that I previously did not.

He has, in my opinion, articulated the combination of CFS/ME and metal toxicity symptoms in a more descriptive clear accurate manner than anyone's previous description.

'B'
Okay so I made a list of all my symptoms that have improved during the five months I've been detoxing mercury & thought I'd share it here as it might be inspiration for some. Enjoy.

- Massively decreased/almost eliminated sensitivity to light & noise

- No longer feel profoundly affected by EMFs & Wi-Fi

- Muscle spasms & tremors have gone from constant to extremely seldom

- No longer feel disassociated from reality, an increased sense of being grounded & present

- Diminished feeling of malaise. Generally feel considerably less viral, & susceptibility to everything around me feels absent. Body feels mostly comfortable to inhabit

- No longer experience low blood pressure i.e. no more nearly blacking out every time I’d stand up & no more POTS

- Increased stamina: am a long way from running or performing any kind of heavy endurance exercise but barely making it to the end of my street is now a faint memory. Can walk freely without fear of retribution & no longer need to use a pedometer to measure every step

- If I do go beyond what I’m capable of that day I can feel tired for a few hours, not a few weeks of (post-exertional malaise) bed-ridden physical exhaustion & torment

- No longer experience the debilitating fatigue of CFS/ME. My body still fluctuates & there are times when there is a distinct lethargy but I’m functional. I can run errands & even do yoga classes now, which used to floor me for weeks. There’s a baseline of energy I never used to have, & some days it can in fact feel quite high & good

- Awake & although probably the lowest energy-time of day for me I can get up freely. No more lying there for hours trying to muster up the energy to move. Most mornings I feel somewhat refreshed

- I’ve probably had the least improvement with brain fog although I’m finding it much easier to read & retain information than previously. I feel increasingly clear-headed & in the moment as opposed to traipsing a dark foreign dreamscape

- I’m becoming me again, my true nature. I’ve now realised mercury controlled my mind. I feel comfortably positive, buoyant & optimistic. I feel more like the person that deep down I knew I was but who was hidden behind a veil of unrelenting sickness. I don’t have to try to be me anymore; I am me

- No longer experience hypersensitivity. The slightest negativity from someone or even misinterpreted remarks used to upset me deeply. No matter how irrational this felt to me I literally had no dominion over it. I would be rattled & stew on ill feelings for days, even weeks. Now they bounce off me. I’m rational again & feel emotionally strong

- Massive improvement with adrenals. No longer get heart palpitations or anxiety attacks. Can sit by a fire for hours or in a hot car & not be shattered after. In fact these things no longer affect me at all

- Can have a massage & be functional after, even refreshed

- Body feels warmer

- Have switched off fight or flight response almost entirely. Still rebounds at times but a few months ago it was CONSTANT, now I can feel generally calm throughout the day

- Restless legs is much, much rarer now

- Sleep has improved dramatically. Has become a reliable source of rest & relaxation. Chronic insomnia has gone completely. I assume my melatonin has become much more regulated. I can look at a bright screen like my phone or a laptop, or be in a highly lit area right before bed (or even in bed) & not be up all night – I usually sleep soundly

- No longer feel autistic/extremely anti-social. Some days I would almost suffer agoraphobia & dread/fear interacting with people. As a naturally confident & outgoing person I was always perturbed by this. Now I feel much more of that effortless confidence on a daily basis

- No longer feel claustrophobic

- No longer suffer from suicidal ideation. This plagued me the entire time I’ve been ill. At the time I assumed as a result of my severely diminished quality of life. Now I would almost entirely attribute it to the mercury dictating my emotions

- Emotional stability. I feel stable. I used to suffer from a lot of doubts & fears, mainly about recovery. Now I don’t. Recovery is guaranteed; it’s just a matter of time

- Used to have sore throats, all day, everyday. No more, & no more hoarseness

- No longer experience chemical sensitivity

- Urinate much less frequently

- Improved libido
 
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Sam7777

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'B'
The primary diagnosis has always been CFS/ME & I've had that for 12 years now. For the last four years I've worked diligently on regaining my health but I was essentially swimming upstream/getting nowhere until I found out about the mercury (5 months ago) & going after that has literally turned my life around.

I'm on top of most things now - except the mercury - & i'm probably going to forget half the diagnoses I've had but I was mainly affected by recurrent viral infections. Hashimoto's, Gilbert's Syndrome, RLS, osteopenia, leaky gut syndrome, b.hominis, helicobacter pylori, CMV, glandular fever/EBV (four times), chronic streptococcus & mycoplasma, modified mumps, scarlet fever & probably a bunch of other stuff I can't remember right now but you get the picture. I feel like it would be pretty impossible for me to a get a virus right now.

I follow a protocol my Dr here put me on which I've made some adjustments to as well. I use a cilantro/chlorella tincture in the morning with 250mg of DMSA, 250mg R-lipoic acid & a drops formula called Biosil to treat thallium & arsenic which were also elevated.

I also take Pecta-Sol twice a day (citrus pectins) & zeolite twice a day too, in addition to about 4g of chlorella spread out. At night I take 350mg of DMSA & the same amount of ALA again. I use fresh coriander in most meals too & take a myriad of other supplements to replenish imbalances but I think most ppl are pretty informed on what to take there.

I have also been doing coffee enemas which I feel have been key in eliminating herx reactions. And before the Cutler aficionados come out to burn me on a stake, yes I have heard about - & read the book on - the AC protocol, but this is what works for me.
 
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Sam7777

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'B'
Hey 'S'! 22 vaccinations is CRAZY! I wish we could sue these big pharma bastards for robbing us of massive parts of our lives. The protocol above is actually it - there isn't really any particular timing. My Dr just kind of blew me off when I asked about timing & the such - "just take it morning & night".

I was supplementing around 9am & usually early evening around 5 or 6pm for the DMSA & RLA but I was spreading out the pecta-sol & zeolites to when I felt like there'd be the most mercury floating around my system. I definitely feel like the pecta-sol (citrus pectins) is an essential part of the program.

I say "was" because when I got a taste of improvement I got greedy, as I kind of hit a plateau, so decided to give the AC protocol a whirl too, mainly out of curiosity but also to see if I could speed things up, so have done four rounds of that. Haven't really noticed a difference doing it, so will probably try a few more rounds then revert back to this old one.

I've been doing 100mg of DMSA & 100mg of ALA, so I imagine my original protocol was pretty effective if I can tolerate such doses (I too was extremely sensitive in the past). I recently came off the sulfur foods as per AC too & that has made a huge difference to me cognitively in a matter of weeks - have put away three books in the last wk, a feat which would have taken me a yr just before that.

One thing you should try to get your energy up is shilajit & Siberian ginseng. I have tried just about every herb & supplement known to man & this is the first time I've ever noticed anything from one & would actually vouch for it. If you only try one, go the shilajit - I think it's You should also get on the FIR saunas too if you haven't already - they've also been great for me.

(B continued)
Still going at it 'H P', & still going at it with the DMSA - this is just my progress heretofore. I don't really know to be honest as I have no basis for comparison, although the cilantro tincture was extremely potent when I first began on it & even now too if I consume more than my threshold so I don't see why that wouldn't work.

The artificial light theory is interesting - it even seems out there to me which is saying something I don't know how much I buy into it given my own experience but we're all different. For me, my sensitivity to EMFs has just got exponentially better since I started on the Mercury, as has my sleep, & if you check out the Mercola site there's an old article where he talks about Mercury toxic ppl acting as antennas for wifi & the like - really resonated with me. I've tried both ALA & RLA & think I feel better on the RLA, but very minimally if at all.

'H P'
B's story in particular has really made me reconsider the role of nutrigenomics in mercury removal. I think DMSA and RLA have a lot to do with treating a good portion of all environmental diseases. Basically, much of the healthcare issues in the country.

I've been trying to research and prepare, and want to do shade and cutlers protocols combined. I did try RLA on some initial trials, and had a handful of days where I definitely knew it was giving me a lot of clarity. But I've yet to get DMSA or citrus pectin.

What do you take for methylation, just methylfolate and b12? I personally don't get any positive or negative reaction to them, so I think my methylation cycle might be a bit more peculiar. Of course Cutler negates any of it, but I'm trying to make sure I can actually TAKE the chelators. I just posted a topic in pheonix on it. http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/thiol-sensitivities-cutler-and-shade-protocol-cbs-sod-suox-bhmt.39799/

B
Interesting you don't react to the supplements - even 5-methylfolate? I take a Thorne b complex with the 5mthf & presumably some b-12 & p-5-p (active b6) separately. Also on zinc as I suspect pyrroles is/has been an issue. All hell broke out when I first started on the 5-methyl folate, & took me a LONG time to get to the optimum dose.

Have never noticed any discernible difference on the methylation protocol but it's something doctors have just told me to do - been on it for about two years now. I've been doing liver flushes (Moritz) to get things up & running again & my liver enzymes have gone from through the roof to healthy. I personally think the methylation issues are environmental rather than genetic so I'm hoping they'll resolve when the mercury's gone.

H p
Ya know my gallbladder just torments me, and I do coffee enemas but the damn coffee has more sulfur. I was thinking of doing the epson salt liver flushes. Yea, see that's what cutler says too that its all environmental, and I totally agree, that its something that should balance out once the metals are gone.

It's just some people are so messed up that I fear that their methylation stuff might be too severe to chelate until they sort of tame it a bit. There really isn't much of a logical explanation epidemiologically speaking for so many people to have these snps with such significant auto immune issues and strange food allergies.

I use to think some of these foods were inherently bad, but I've learned way too much about genetics and why people react to just about everything, and it would have to be epigenetic. The food hasn't changed that much, but the population has.

I did find some interesting stuff on mcp. Honestly I've never heard of anyone taking 750 mg of DMSA a day 7 days at a time for 3 months. It seems like just about anyone would keel over. And such rapid change goes against everything, so I'm thinking the pectin must have some big part to it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16835878
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The rhamnogalacturonan-II dimer (dRG-II) forms strong complexes in vitro with lead (Pb) and other selected cations. We examined the in vivo bioavailability of Pb complexed with dRG-II and the effect of unleaded dRG-II on the intestinal absorption and tissue retention of Pb in rats. Forty male Wistar…
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B
Wow they're super interesting - haven't read up on it before. AC absolutely shunned MCP when I mentioned it over there Gonna have to disagree with you on the food front but I'll refrain from delving any deeper because I could harp on about it all night.

I switched to salt enemas from coffee due to the thiols- still seem to be equally effective. Also made the shift because the coffee's meant to be incredibly demineralising & the salt is meant to do the opposite.

Hp
Hmm, but you're still doing salt enemas and epson salt liver flushes? Well with the food what I mean is that people react to many things like asparagus, or salicylates, histamines, glutamates, etc. I've read quite a lot of cases of people who treated their gut diversity issues with resistant starch and soil probiotics and regained the ability to tolerate starches, as well as remediating many symptoms similar to metal toxicity including regaining the ability to eat wheat.

Though those with metals had to get the metals out first. As far as pesticides and drugs in the meat, gmo soy, hexate filled rancid cooking oils, twinkies, hyper processed baked goods, antibiotics in the meat, I mean yes the food system has gotten much worse over the last 60 years, if you look at it that terms but once you isolate out the issues people are having with whole foods, you'll see that its because of these genetic sensitivies caused by pollutants.

'S'
B thanks! yes i would like to sue, but too late and you can't anyway in the USA. the pharma companies are protected from vax sueing. handy dandy for them. vax and fillings have ruined my life and my brother's (and my parents as a result). it's total BS how we are so poisoned and struggle to figure it out.

from reading the comments, you NEVER had mercury fillings? that could explain why you are doing well on this protocol. i'm quite mercury toxic as i had all my fillings removed improperly just 2 years after all those vaccines. i can track my demise which each vaccine even as a child. it all adds up now inlcuindg when i got my first fillings.

B
Hi Amy, I'm no expert but I know you're meant to take the pecta-sol before food. I usually just go off my intuition if I'm taking things like ALA & DMSA too & take it either before or some time after to hopefully sweep up the mercury. Not so sure about that S, the doctor I see who specialises in heavy metals deemed my levels to be "extremely toxic" & a few others have been baffled by the levels especially with the absence of amalgams. Also had acute poisoning alongside the chronic
 
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At the end where he says he isn't sure how he ended up with so much mercury in the absence of amalgams, I think that would warrant investigation of a source of mercury at home or wherever he spends a lot of time. Someone broke a thermometer years ago and just swept the mercury under the carpet or something like that? Vapor alone is enough to give you poisoning.