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Question about TH1/TH2 immune response in late stage Lyme and Buhner Protocol

Discussion in 'Lyme Disease and Co-Infections' started by Lotus97, Feb 26, 2013.

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    That's kind of tricky. Especially with Lyme. Many people here are Th2 dominant and want to shift to Th1, but for Lyme if you stimulate a Th1 response with something such as astragalus you'll likely experience excessive inflammation. Also, if you're glutathione depleted then certain aspects of the Th1 immune response such as natural killer cells and CD8 cytoxic T lymphocytes won't function properly. I posted a link to a thread about that topic earlier in this thread. Just to sum up what Rich says in that thread, restoring glutathione through improving a person's methylation would increase the efficacy of a person's Th1 immune response.

    It seems that the herbs Buhner recommends helps build up the immune system in a targeted manner. For example, cat's claw is supposed to increase CD56 and CD57 expression on natural killer cells which are suppressed by the Lyme spirochetes. It's possible that some people would need prescription antibiotics in addition to the herbs in Buhner's protocol, but prescription antibiotics alone might not be effective for many people with chronic/late stage Lyme. From what I understand, early stage Lyme is usually easily treated with just antibiotics. And Buhner actually recommends astragalus for early stage Lyme (just not late stage Lyme).
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