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alex3619 would you not though have to build in recovery times somehow? I mean into the subjective and the qualitative/objective? You need to try and compare and measure like-for-like.
Anyway, my point really I suppose was that I don't believe science can have all the answers here, and like Simon I would not rule out a need for patient feedback, but I think the questionnaires used need to be better considered: perhaps relevant to each disease and not to 'fatigue' as a stand-alone generic symptom.
But maybe this is will all prove irrelevant or redundant if we can establish a better biomarker than over-exertion and recovery. I don't place much faith in actometers myself or in the studies pertaining to PEM thus far. I think the latter will require significant replication and we will still be far from proving exercise is unique to ME.
Sure, you can use objective measures like actometers and relation to benefits and employment (though those two can be seen as subjective also depending), to compare with the subjective questionnaire and to test efficacy; but I demand more.
Whenever someone comes up with something - like repeat exercise testing - I want to see it attacked and then defended and then repeated and replicated independently. I no longer trust our own research I am afraid.
And I - like others - am rather bored with saying 'interesting' all the time
Anyway, my point really I suppose was that I don't believe science can have all the answers here, and like Simon I would not rule out a need for patient feedback, but I think the questionnaires used need to be better considered: perhaps relevant to each disease and not to 'fatigue' as a stand-alone generic symptom.
But maybe this is will all prove irrelevant or redundant if we can establish a better biomarker than over-exertion and recovery. I don't place much faith in actometers myself or in the studies pertaining to PEM thus far. I think the latter will require significant replication and we will still be far from proving exercise is unique to ME.
Sure, you can use objective measures like actometers and relation to benefits and employment (though those two can be seen as subjective also depending), to compare with the subjective questionnaire and to test efficacy; but I demand more.
Whenever someone comes up with something - like repeat exercise testing - I want to see it attacked and then defended and then repeated and replicated independently. I no longer trust our own research I am afraid.
And I - like others - am rather bored with saying 'interesting' all the time