"joe van" Since when is getting social services to forcably remove a child on false pretext and ignore best medical advice and consent in an enforced therapy, unilaterally denying his diagnosis and spouting lies "standard medical technique"? There's more than enough corroborating evidence in the letters and McManus Report -- Wessely's denial and ignorance of ME, the extraneous child protection proceedings -- to show it would only be consistent with his wrongdoing for Wessely et al to try and make Proctor look like a liar in court. But we can see from the above excerpt and everything else Wessely has said about M.E. who the real liar is. The kid was paralysed and couldn't speak for a time, probably feeling in great discomfort or pain which water and massage would have aggravated greatly, this being severe M.E., terrified due to this abduction, do you you think he gives a flying fuck what the nurses looked like? Or is it the case you have such little moral argument or known facts you resort to fatuous trivialisation of a serious issue in the desperate hope to deflect attention? Looks to me you're the one who came conveniently short on facts, and no doubt hoped no-one would get any. And don't be an idiot; no-one said "doctors are evil". You must be pretty ignorant if you think this cruel attempt to "snap them him out of it" was unique to Mr Proctor and that harsh "tests" like this -- including totally unwarranted child protection proceedings or sectionings -- don't happen frequently among sufferers. Why don't you grow a pair and tell us what your interest is in this? Do you know Elliot? Alternatively, crawl back to wherever you came from.