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Probiotic/Digestive enzyme reccomendations

ebethc

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My insurance pays for it. But even then without insurance it only costs me if converted to USD $40 or so for a bottle.
I feel sorry for you Americans, having to pay ridiculous amounts of money for health care.

how much is your insurance, per month? if it's too personal, no worries.. I"m just curious... Here's it's hundreds of dollars per month, if not >$1000...
 

Thinktank

Senior Member
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Europe
No problem, it's public information. My Dutch health insurance + additional coverage for alternative treatments and medical treatment abroad costs me 124 euro per month.
 

Richard7

Senior Member
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Location
Australia
The problem with creon is that the proteases are in their safe zymogen form.

Which is normally a good thing and normally they are activated by a protease that is found tethered to the wall of the small intestine.

Given that we are not producing enough enzymes I am concerned that I might not be producing that enzyme.

The other problem is that we have lots of enzymes in the small intestine that nibble at the ends of peptides and carbohydrates to liberate individual amino acids, short di and tri peptides and the simple sugars that we can absorb.

Creon does not contain these enzymes. I found that taking some sibb zymes along with the creon reduced or perhaps got rid of what I assume was malabsorption diarrhoea.

And yes sibb zymes are pretty expensive and I wish something like them was also on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.
 

ebethc

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No problem, it's public information. My Dutch health insurance + additional coverage for alternative treatments and medical treatment abroad costs me 124 euro per month.

what's the catch??

not that there has to be one! eg I've heard that european healthcare can have long wait times for appointments and surgeries (non-urgent, of course..)..
 

ebethc

Senior Member
Messages
1,901
The problem with creon is that the proteases are in their safe zymogen form.

Which is normally a good thing and normally they are activated by a protease that is found tethered to the wall of the small intestine.

Given that we are not producing enough enzymes I am concerned that I might not be producing that enzyme.

The other problem is that we have lots of enzymes in the small intestine that nibble at the ends of peptides and carbohydrates to liberate individual amino acids, short di and tri peptides and the simple sugars that we can absorb.

Creon does not contain these enzymes. I found that taking some sibb zymes along with the creon reduced or perhaps got rid of what I assume was malabsorption diarrhoea.

And yes sibb zymes are pretty expensive and I wish something like them was also on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.

what's the difference between the creon pancreatin and the pancreatin in wobenzym? wobie has additional ingredients: papain, bromelain, which may provide some of of the benefit of brush enzymes - plus rutin, which is definitely good for mast cell issues..
 

Thinktank

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Location
Europe
The wait times really depend on the hospital / specialist i want to visit. Urgent cases get an appointment sooner.
I've had wait times between 3 and 12 weeks to see a specialist, way too long. We dont really have private health care in my country.
And ofcourse before all of that i need to see the GP first for a referral.

I also have to pay the first 385 euro billing out of my own pocket, so max. 385 euro / year.
 

ebethc

Senior Member
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The wait times really depend on the hospital / specialist i want to visit. Urgent cases get an appointment sooner.
I've had wait times between 3 and 12 weeks to see a specialist, way too long. We dont really have private health care in my country.
And ofcourse before all of that i need to see the GP first for a referral.

I also have to pay the first 385 euro billing out of my own pocket, so max. 385 euro / year.

wow.. good for you.. the wait times are annoying, and I have had to wait myself, but not as long.. maybe a month or two... The out of pocket max here is way more, of course... something's got to give in the u.s.....