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'Power Poses' Co-Author: 'I Do Not Believe The Effects Are Real'

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by mfairma, Oct 1, 2016.

  1. mfairma

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  2. 2kidswithME

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    Thanks, very relevant, and amazing she was willing to admit that she was mistaken. Unlike some other researchers we know!
     
  3. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    This highlights the cognitive dissonance of faking something that you're not; like pretending to be healthy when you're obviously not. More evidence against the idea of positive psychology.
     
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  4. Skippa

    Skippa Anti-BS

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    "If you go back and you see the technology section of any newspaper, I'm going to guess that a small share of the things that are in the future ever become the present. The journals in science are a bit like that."

    In the sidebar.
     
  5. alex3619

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    :)

    Nonsense. We have flying cars, household robots, and look like the Jensons cartoon. Right?;)

    In the 80s the big myth was the paperless office. We are still cutting down trees, but with small tablets we are getting closer to that day.
     
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  6. chipmunk1

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    http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/power-posing-fake-it-until-you-make-it

    This is the typical pop-science rubbish. Just change this little thing in your attitude and it will bring you health, success, wealth, power, a long life etc.

    Mindfulness is making the same claims

    The market? People who are not satisfied with their life. A huge market. The product? It does not matter as long as long as the claims are there.

    Does it work?

    Yes it works well for the people making the claims.
     
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  7. RogerBlack

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    Don't confuse study design and author behaviour with the questions being asked.

    If you look at the actual reasons for retracting his view, it was based on further evidence failing to reproduce the work.

    The initial study was 'good' - but for the sample size and protocol.
    It did not use self-reported outcome measures, but tried to measure actual concrete things.
    It measured hormone levels pre and post, as well as actual behaviour on a task.
    At the least, if true, some aspect of the 'power pose' affected hormones.

    The brain affects the body in real concrete ways. People with lower relative incomes, or who are stressed die earlier.

    I have not read the paper, but if in fact they as the coverage mentioned did a test, then as nothing was showing, added more people and re-did it, that is enormously statistically risky, which makes the protocol bad.

    The actual fundamental question was good in that looking at all the evidence obtained by looking at this, we can say it probably doesn't happen, when some of the literature before the study suggested it might.

    The study design was bad.

    The question asked in the PACE trial was a good one 'Does APT/CBT/GET/SMC help CFS patients more'.
    The study design was not great - it did not have enough non self-reported outcome measures, but not terrible.

    The authors behaviour in modifying the protocol and in sending all participants 'CBT is awesome' leaflet partway through was terrible

    PACE would have been enormously positive - if the authors at the time had stuck to their protocol and reported 'there was a small, but statistically insignificant benefit for CBT and GET compared to SMC. There was a small but statistically insignifcant worsening for those on the APT arm. The initial hypothesis of this study was not proved, and further research is needed before recommending any of these therapies.'
    Imagine how many thousands (tens of thousands?) of patients would not have had CBT to no avail.
     
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  8. chipmunk1

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    So you mean the correlations found in an other unrelated study proves that another study with a small sample size must be true? This makes sense only in psychology.

    If someone with a lower income dies earlier it could have only been mind-body magic at work. Yes the mind is all powerful.

    I think it is only all powerful when it comes to self deception.
     
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  9. RogerBlack

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    I was specifically thinking of the massive UK civil service study.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehall_Study

    And absolutely not.
    Each study needs carefully designed protocols and well done statistics, and honest reporting.
    Even with all of these, errors happen.
     
  10. A.B.

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    Let's see what happens when we make some small changes to this statement

    OK, maybe not a great way to make a point. But correlation can be interpreted in multiple ways.
     
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  11. RogerBlack

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    I was - as above - mostly referring to studies of employed people.
     
  12. Cheesus

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    Mindfulness isn't making these claims, though I am sure there are certain people who make the claim about mindfulness.
     
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