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Potassium/Sodium Balance

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by GenDylan, Jul 28, 2013.

  1. ahmo

    ahmo Senior Member

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    My cortisol tests (generally saliva) over a few years when I was at my worst never showed much, even tho it was clear that functionally I had lo cortisol. I used chinese licorice liberally for a couple years, which was helpful. When I tried low dose cortef a couple times, I had negative reactions, especially the water retention.

    Re Caledonia's comment re leaky gut, my severe downward spiral only stopped when I started the Gut and Psychology Syndrome (GAPS) diet. At no time during my 8.5 years of suffering did anyone suggest gluten or casein, nor leaky gut and its seriousness. I discovered the diet serendipitously. I was initially terrified of this diet plan, had been vegetarian over 30 years. Yet 3 days after eliminating gluten and dairy, my out-of-control nervous system calmed. Some people use the SCD diet. I'm now 1.5 years into GAPS, still on a very limited diet, but healing. I do not yet tolerate even small amounts of pumpkin (the first starch to add), and am sulfur and histamine intolerant. But I would not have uncovered those intolerances without the limited diet. I'm supplementing with pyroluria supps as well as much of Yasko's recommendations. Once I was stabilized on the diet I began Freddd's protocol, and am soooo much better now. cheers, ahmo
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  2. L'engle

    L'engle moderate ME

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    GenDylan: I would probably wait until you get the platelet test to get a tattoo. That way you can get a sense of how much bleeding danger there may be. I get discoloured feet from blood pooling as well as part of OI/POTS symptoms.
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  3. NilaJones

    NilaJones Senior Member

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    In re: the original question, I think there is definitely something about methylation and sodium ,at least for me.

    I have been craving salt since my last brush with B!2, about 3-4 weeks ago. Putting lots extra on my food. I thought it was because we have had hot weather and I was drinking a TON of water.

    But then on Tuesday, when I tried B12 again, after the bad reaction wore off I really wanted salt. I just put it directly in my hand and licked it up -- about 3/4 of a teaspoon before I forced myself to stop. And I still wanted more the next day.
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    sregan Senior Member

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    Sorry if I'm butting in but it sounds like you had a sustained negative issue following using B12? I'm dealing with what I suspect is adrenal fatigue even after stopping all B12 and folate. Been very hard to get out of bed in the morning and heightened anxiety. Once I'm up I'm usually fine but it's probably the worst of all my symptoms.

    In the past I've had success with a small dose of Paba (100-150mg from a Now 500mg cap) and Pantethine (Jarrow 450mg) in the past. PABA helps extend the cortisol you have.
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  5. NilaJones

    NilaJones Senior Member

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    I appreciate your 'butting in'!

    My bad reaction was mainly the first two hours after taking a tiny dose of B!2. It felt like being on a recreational drug in the 'entheogen' group. But it was not fun(!), because I didn't know what was happening or why. I thought about going to the ER, but when it didn't get any worse I decided to stay home and wait it out.

    This happens to me every time I try B12, although I think this last time may have been the worst.

    Afterwards I am tired for a few days, and I usually have some kind of emo meltdown (crying for hours, etc.) withina couple of days, although so far that hasn't happened this time. Yay.

    I don't know if any of this has to do with adrenals?
  6. L'engle

    L'engle moderate ME

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    NilaJones. My reacrion to b12 is the opposite. Without it my adrenals crave tons of salt. As soon as I take methyl b12 I start needing opotassium and actually can't tolerate much salt without making the potassium loss worse. Sorry it had such a bad effect on you. :(

    sregan. Thanks for your comment. I've been wondering about pantethine but wanted to hear from more people with ME/CFS before investing in it. Does it work only in conjuction with paba?
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    sregan. Thanks for your comment. I've been wondering about pantethine but wanted to hear from more people with ME/CFS before investing in it. Does it work only in conjuction with paba?[/quote]

    I took it yesterday and felt wonderful afterwards for a few hours. It is supposed to help clear acetaldehyde, is very important for creating CoA and boosting the TCA cycle.

    A link from Dr. Lam (Adrenal Fatigue guy)
    http://www.drlam.com/opinion/pantothenic_acid_and_pantethine.asp
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  8. GenDylan

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    sorry that you have to live so restricted,,,it realllly sucks.considering that, what does your diet consist of?
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    NilaJones Senior Member

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    That's so interesting. The first few times I took it, I needed a lot of potassium. This last time, I pre-loaded with potassium, and then I got the salt craving.
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  10. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    I wonder if you didn't overdo the potassium loading. Your body wants the potassium and sodium to be in a specific ratio.

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