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Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by dannybex, May 12, 2013.

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    dbkita Senior Member

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    Understood. I guess it shows how energy values for a person are not only about the Krebs cycle. Again your mitochondrial flux looks strong so you don't seem to have the obvious blocks that something like mercury would tend to create in that cycle. However, clinically you have fatigue. So other forces are in play. Immune system dysregulation or hormonal imbalance could be major factors. then. Your Krebs results seem to suggest glycolysis and glucose balance is not an issue. Are your glucose levels ok generally?
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    Instead of getting the test, can we just take a bunch of supplements to support Krebs and let our body sort things out? Even if we do get the test, doesn't that mean we might have to get retested later to make sure we corrected whatever was wrong?
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    I'm not sure Lotus, but I think that's what Catseye did. And it stopped her from staying bedridden:

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...ve-a-big-picture-theory.386/page-3#post-10898
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    I find that if I'm not getting enough sleep and limiting my activities then all the supplements I'm taking are band-aids. Interesting list. I'm taking many of those. I'm taking a lot of niacinamide, but not NADH. I read that it increases norepinephrine and dopamine so I'm not sure I want to take it right now. I'm titrating biotin now, and thinking about taking alpha lipoic acid again (stopped due to possible mercury concerns. Wouldn't it be better to just take all your B5 in the form of pantethine rather than both that and pantothenic acid? Interesting what she says about ATP and peroxynitrite and superoxide
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    There's a product out there that I took about 10-12 years ago, for awhile, and was certainly doing much, much better back then -- called "Coenzyme A". It has pantethine, and many of the co-factors...

    http://www.coenzyme-a.com/coenzymea.html

    Re the enzymes -- I haven't tried them yet, but any way to increase superoxide dismutase and catalase would be extremely beneficial, as these are the one of the main markers that are deficient or even absent in ME/CFS patients.
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    I'm on the hypoglycemic side.

    I still have quite low glutathione, moderately high mercury, bad gut issues (dysbiosis, malabsorbtion, yeast, leaky gut, many food intolerances), just went off my thyroid med because I was going hyper, adrenals also seem to be recovering, but not totally. My adrenals were extremely bad, almost a flat line. I don't seem to have viral problems.

    So I guess take your pick.
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    dannybex Senior Member

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    Calendonia,

    Your mercury was tested how?
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    My latest test was the Nutreval test, which is blood/urine, which is only supposed to show recent or ongoing exposures - "recent" being in the last two months I think. But I've done Doctors Data previously and chelated out lead and mercury like 5 years ago. I got my last couple little mercury fillings out 7 months ago.

    An interesting thing happened recently, which is eating cilantro gave me "metal detox" symptoms. I've never had this happen before. So my conclusion is, I'm already detoxing mercury, so the addition of cilantro dumped out enough more that I had obvious symptoms.
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    I would also like to add that I just found out I'm SOD-2 +/+. That affects the mitochondria. I don't know what you would do about that.
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    That's what I'm hoping, is that by looking at people's Kreb's charts and seeing what areas are commonly messed up in PWC's we could come up with a body of supps that might help people without taking the test.

    I took all the mito supps to try and help energy, but I had no idea B2 etc. was involved until I saw this chart. That would explain why people can take all the mito supps and still not get much energy. There are other missing factors.
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    caledonia

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    I just found this thing from Sarah Myhill that explains about lactic acid:


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    That's a new one on me...must be from 23 & me results? I'm sure you're more than aware that Cheney, Pall, etc., have shown that one of the main issues with ME/CFS is a lack of SOD. I'm going to try some of the "Biotec Extra Energy Enzymes" that Catseye posted about a year or so ago, that apparently help raise SOD levels. There's also a new sublingual liquid SOD available as well.

    My nephew has a boxer dog who's been on SOD for a couple years now. Has to give him a shot every other day (if I remember correctly), but it really makes a huge difference for the old guy... :)
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    Do you perhaps know the name of the liquid SOD product?
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    I'm SOD2 ++ as well. SOD1 is --

    What i found out so far is only one product that may help a SOD2 (MnSOD) ++ person and that's C60 in olive oil.C60 mimics MnSOD, it's very interesting stuff.
    Another possibility is MnSOD intravenously as told by my doc.
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    Vitacost is having a buy one get one half off sale on Glisodin SOD, but then I reread Catseye's post and she said this about Glisodin SOD:
    (But does anyone know if this will cause problems for people other than those with Celiac's? I am trying to avoid gluten, but if it's only a small amount then I'm not sure if it will cause harm or not)
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    Do you have the SNP(s) for SOD2 that you are +/+ for? I'm finding 17 SOD2 snps so which ones do you think are relevant and how did you determine? TIA

    Found the SOD2 on the detox, I'm -/-.
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    So are u saying avoid the Glisodin if you have gluten issues but the Energy Enzymes is ok? I have been on a desperate search for energy for years. Do these energy enzymes work?
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    SOD is in the Detoxigenomics test. If you've done 23andme, you can pull it from geneticgenie.org.
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    Can someone please remind me, regarding SNPs is it A=T and C=G and any A or Ts are the risk alelles?
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    Biotec Cellguard is mentioned for SOD in the book "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" by Balch and Balch. This is the same company that makes the enzyme formula. They both contain a proprietary ingredient called IsoSproutPlex. I can't find what the ingredients are. http://www.biotecfoods.com/biotec.htm

    The book also mentions barley grass, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, wheatgrass and most green plants as containing SOD.

    The question is, with our typically bad digestion, will you be able to get the SOD from foods. The Biotec products are enteric coated, and you take them on an empty stomach, to get around this.

    Maybe you could just take some barley grass juice and rub it on your skin?

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