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Poll on eczema, dermatitis, psoriasis... - Autoimmunity, inflammation and leaky gut links

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by Beyond, Nov 7, 2013.

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Do you have any form of eczema, dermatitis or psoriasis?

  1. I don´t have either eczema or dandruff.

    7 vote(s)
    23.3%
  2. I have facial dermatitis.

    2 vote(s)
    6.7%
  3. I have scalp dermatitis (dandruff).

    4 vote(s)
    13.3%
  4. I have eczema/dermatitis elsewhere.

    8 vote(s)
    26.7%
  5. I have facial and scalp dermatitis (dandruff).

    5 vote(s)
    16.7%
  6. I have psoriasis.

    4 vote(s)
    13.3%
  1. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    Seems fairly common among this segment of the population (we the forum posters). If I was a scientist (wish I was) I could do tests on us and confirm the significance of this finding. I would do the mannitol/lactulose test, food intolerances etc...
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    knackers323 Senior Member

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    If people have genes that make their skin on the outside cracked, inflamed, permeable then it would be fair to assume they would also be more genetically exposed to having the same problem with the skin (lining) in their gut.

    If this is the case. What's to be done? Lots of people with eczema etc. will tell us that it is not an easily treated condition. With many people unable to do much about it at all.
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  3. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    Knackers you need to treat the inside to treat the outside.
    The outer expressions of disease are consequence of the diseased inside.

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  4. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    Diet change! See earlier posts.
  5. knackers323

    knackers323 Senior Member

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    Yes but does it always work?
  6. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    ...

    Meanwhile, the scurfy/reddish ones are massively outnumbering the clear-skinned in the poll.
  7. knackers323

    knackers323 Senior Member

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    Yes true but that does not mean that changing diet will necessarily fix that. Or does it in most cases?
  8. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    Probably not, but how many treatments do? It seems to work for many, and as long as the diet is nutritionally balanced it will do no harm, which is more than you can say for a high proportion of drugs.
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  9. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    Knackers lets not beat a dead horse. Diet is the foundation of health HOWEVER almost no one cures anything with diet alone (I have lurked obsessively forums for years including acne forums).

    So you need a healthy diet to cure a leaky/inflammed/dysfunctional gut but NO you won´t cure it with diet alone, especially since you are ill enough to be in this board.
  10. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    I think that some people might be able to cure themselves. Have you seen this new thread and listened to the programme?

    I hope I will be forgiven for repeating part of my summary of the programme (if not, :p to you!):

    Add to that the fact that ME is increasingly believed to be an autoimmune disease...
  11. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    Yeah autoimmune for sure for at least some people if not all IMO. Interesting info, but I still hold you need way more than diet to cure... I mean being realistic. If you had the BEST diet in the world supplements, injections etc would be most of them not needed. Imagine waking up and getting colostrum straight from your organic cows, drinking it, then going for you organic bees, getting raw chunks of propolis, pollen, royal honey, then going to your organic orchard and harvesting veggies for lunch... drinking fresh coconut water... organic meat and eggs... having a complete array of fermented foods including ginger beer... possibilities are endless. Even things like NAG or Gamma Oryzanol are derived from shrimp etc you could just eat that everyday way better than pills.

    Not to mention having your own medicinal plants/roots!

    But in reality most of us are 1) struggling financially 2) struggling physically/psychologically to just cook and buy food 3) struggling to find the right stuff to eat (the good stuff is hard to find especially if you don´t live in the correct place)

    Organic veggies are super expensive here btw! 4x as expensive, we can´t afford that at the rate I consume veggies. My father wants to start an orchard but my mother insists that I carry the most work with it and I don´t think I can... even washing my juicer I don´t do it everyday...

    So that´s why I think supplements are needed. Especially for specific nutritients liek when doing methylation. As a matter of fact as you can see I am a do it yourself and food advocate but while we are in this position we need supplements and IV supplements optimally. I just try to be adding slowly all the homemade healthy things I can. I have to start making sauerkraut again.
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  12. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    It sounds as though your mother doesn't understand your illness.

    I understand about the energy needed to grow veg. I used to grow veg but it's too much physical exertion now on top of the work I have to do to sell plants during the summer. I'm just managing to grow some lettuce and parsley in my conservatory now and am going to try growing cucumbers indoors next year. I have lots of oregano growing in my yard, plus lemon balm and thyme. They need very little maintenance.

    I don't buy organic veg at the moment, but get about 100 delicious apples from my one tree every year (so you wouldn't need many for a family, and apple trees require very little work). I also pick wild fruit and leaves, and grow a few blackcurrants, gooseberries, loganberries and wild strawberries and am trying to get some Chinese bramble established, as well as having four small hazel trees, but I let most of the nuts fall this year as I was too busy or tired to collect them.

    I do take supplements too. I know all about the poverty, having not even been able to have my heating on until recently, and made myself very ill through the exertion of going out scavenging dead wood from the fields.

    If only doctors would prescribe the supplements we need, it could make a big difference.
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    Diet is always worth a try and I'm 100% sure, that there are certain foods, which make skin conditions worse. Even people without eczema can get skin problems with the wrong foods. If the cause is genetic, you would probably have to fix the mutated genes. This hopefully will be possible sooner or later.

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